Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations

[alan]

Hello,

I just got such a simple question, basically for those who believe they "know it all"...and yes, it refers basically to MAGNETISM.

Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?

Why a magnetic field is NOT generated if we just wind the wire in a "zig-zag" pattern**?

*circular pattern, referring to always making a consecutive and continuously wound loop, it don't matter if later on, we press it and make it flatter...is still a "circular pattern flattened"...And, of course, (for any "smart cookie) it don't need to be "exactly circular", but square, triangular, etc,etc.

**zig-zag pattern, referring to gathering the wire in a ZlZlZlZlZ flat pattern...or could also be in a U^U^U type shape, flat.

Obviously in both examples we simply apply the same electrical -/+ power to both wire ends...however, the zig-zag will not generate a Magnetic Field...

Why?

Regards

Ufopolitics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.

[ramset]

Alan
Respectfully , without actual results which can be verified and then successfully replicated?
Your "pointing " is ?
Huh ?( hunch ?

  Conceptual errors happen quite often ,.... it is the concepts that can actually work
Empirically ..which we need desperately!
Hunches with no supporting evidence..."not so much !
Theses type claims turn out to be very deep rabbit holes ..( claims with no evidence

Too many years wasted on Hunches and conceptual errors with no working concept which can pass scrutiny ( or proper measurements )


And pointing to failures as proof of ?


Hopefully this is not the case with paper being discussed here !


And hopefully an experiment which supports the assumptions will manifest!
Respectfully
Chet

[alan]

I don't claim anything. I recommend people to look at the writings of Figuera, Sweet, a bit of Don Smith but now with the quaternion science and Whittaker idea of transverse to standing to scalapotential to EM next to it. (magnetic self-pumped phase-conjugation?). 

"If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth."
In modern terms, Whittaker showed how to turn EM wave energy into electrogravitational potential energy, then how to interfere two such scalar potential waves to recover electromagnetic energy, even at a distance.

[Ufopolitics]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.

@ Alan: Nope, it does not answers my question, at least "not in full"...
Oersted is the very basic law which relates electricity to magnetism, so simple it relates to a single wire carrying a charge then around it, generates a surrounding spatial magnetic field...
@Kolbacict: Yes, that is right, a zigzag is somehow a similar approach to a bifilar with opposite directions of currents in every turn, so magnetic fields keep canceling in every "two way street"...now, that is just the "conventional answer"...

But there is more to this...and here below, is the description taken from Thomas Minderle article, originally posted by member Feb2006, which clearly defines it:

Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment. It arises from the curl in magnetic vector potential. Its units are Webers/meter2 . Whenever there is vorticity in the magnetic vector potential, a magnetic field exists pointing along the axis of that rotation.

And in a very simple way IN ESSENCE: "The CURL in Magnetic Vector Potential"...which resumes in..."VORTICITY in the Magnetic Vector Potential"

Ufopolitics

[alan]

  PART #3
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations

it is also worth to say that the article was written by:
Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations.  Jeremy Dunning-Davies, Departments of Mathematics and Physics (retd), University of Hull, England;
and
Richard Lawrence Norman, Editor in chief, Mind magazine Journal of Unconscious Psychology Former Scientific Advisor Thunder Energies Corporation

so Jeremy is retired and now he can say much more than he could when he was working.
and
Richard is in business and needs the stories.
money talks as long as it sales.
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So written in quaternions _{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion}
formulation gave the room to existence of
scalar electromagnetic wave (longitudinal electromagnetic wave) but that doesn't mean that  it exists.
it is just mathematical possibility.
In reality that someone may say:
"You can't have -1 apple you either have apple/s or you don't have it."
however there is a possibility that sometime in the future you may need one more apple
So you are short of 1 apple for a given application, but that doesn't mean that now, you don't have apples at all.

In analogy to  an apple
we may have more  Maxwell  equations on the shelf now
but only four  fundamental Maxwell  equations
are in use and published most of the time as this is
what we are in need for.
- when we  start to talk about  scalar wave (-" longitudinal" electromagnetic wave)
than we  are short of  one equation that is  there  on the shelf but is not used
because it mathematically creates more  confusion to already confusing quantum physics.
Apart from that  (this  mathematics) is completely conflicting with physics  of today.

While looking at that particular paper _{https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations}
we see in page 2
_{(the pages have no number written, so just try to find page 2)} quote:And we know that name. The name of T. Brown - the Thom Brown from Borderland Sciences
is the same guy? one of the heroes of four? Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations  « Reply #7 on: Today at 09:23:21 PM »
is that what that CIA paper was talking about?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf


on the same page of the article
we have quote:

more is coming in part number four

Wesley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Townsend_Brown