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Overunity Machines Forum



Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!

Started by am1ll3r, March 02, 2023, 07:32:40 PM

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nightlife

Wrapping each C may create a current individually and then the winding thru the center of each would create another current.I can't see it creating 2 separate currents with using just one winding thru the center of all the C's.
10 C's = 10 separate currents + 1 center run = 1 current. That's a possibilty of 11 different currents unless all ten C's were tied together to create one which may be a stronger current making 2 separate currents. But getting 2 currents from the center winding doesn't make sense.
It's easy to duplicate and upgrade but I can't see overunity or it even being 99% efficient.
The energy used Trump's the energy created.

SolarLab

OT - But - Food for Thought - Questions:

If "1" (the magnet) in the diagram from the Chinese website were "replaced" with
an Electromagnet that used a "soft magnetic core (B-H Curve related) - then a small
current (H A/m) could generate a much larger toroid core magnetic field (B).

This, in turn, causes a "larger Magnetic Flux" in the "3" (toroid), which, in turn, creates a
current in "2" (Faraday) Would this create an "excess energy", that is, could H A/m truns
result in, or provide, more power in "2" (induced) than was expended in creating the
electromagnetic inducer "1"?   

Would the B-H Curve of the material used in "3" (toroid) be relevant"?

Would the toroid "3" concentrate the magnetic field around "2"? Does this aid
in the creation of excess energy, if there is any?

How many - quote "poles" - would be required and what would the polarities and electromagnet(s) drive
sequencing consist of?

Would replacing the magnets with switched electromagnetics reduce the magnetic drag and eliminate the need
for an external mechanical driving force? Of course if the application is for a windmill then this question is moot!

Just asking for a friend!

SL


phoneboy

Quote from: tinman on August 25, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
Yes, his drawing is correct.
So now tell us as to which direction the current will flow, when the magnetic field is going both CW and CCW around the windings.
How would that happen (the magnetic field is going both CW and CCW around the windings)? Based on the presented images there is a small gap between the permanent magnets. I guess you are referring to the time when that gap would be centered on the core.  I imagine that the flux from the magnets would take the easiest path which would be across the core which would be tangent to the coil which in an ac signal would be the middle of the cycle.  I also have to correct myself as there would be flux cutting of the coil as the field expanded through the core, have to catch myself and remember that an individual component of a magnetic field is always a loop not a line.

onepower

Tinman
QuoteOf course it would work if the magnets had the south going in one end of the core, and the north in the other.
But the design i posted the link to will not work as you claim, and Robert showed in his video is the same design, but it is not what he built. He built one that had a north field going in one side of the core, and a south field going in the other side, which will work.

You stated that it took you one minute to work out how it works when you looked at the drawings from the web site i posted.
So im asking you to explain as to how it works, using the diagram below.

I stated that i can't work out how this design would work, and i still cant.
If the magnets were placed so as the north field went in one side of the core, and the south field went into the other side, then it is just a standard alternator setup.

Okay I see where your going, you seem to have a problem with the depiction of the magnets on the rotor. Since there are no magnetic mono poles and the flux loop in the core is in one direction what did you think was happening?.

As I said in this statement...
3)From the statements above we know the concept works and the only requirement is that a changing flux curls around the conductor to be induced. 

The direction of the flux in the core tells us everything we need to know and we could draw a kitchen sink in place of the magnets for all it's worth. I knew immediately what the author was trying to describe based on the direction of flux in the core and the left hand rule for electron flow/flux curl.

QuoteIf the magnets were placed so as the north field went in one side of the core, and the south field went into the other side, then it is just a standard alternator setup

It's not a standard alternator setup in my opinion because most people claimed that all the flux is contained within the toroidal core and cannot induce a conductor in the center. Now they should understand that it could be a circular solenoid coil, a closed or open toroidal coil or simply a magnet moving between a C shaped iron core. As I said, "the only requirement is that a changing flux curls around the conductor to be induced".  There could be thousands of possible designs and variations on this theme.

As well many seem to be infatuated with flux linking and cutting. Yet here we have a magnetic field which curls around the conductor inducing it. The flux within the circular core does not appear to cut the conductor like a common generator nor does the flux link like a transformer.

AC