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TopRuslan

Started by r2fpl, March 21, 2023, 11:47:39 AM

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apecore

Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 06:45:02 PM

Impedance works in general terms, but when we get
to the aligning the waves, overlaying them with their
respective frequencies, then I think we have to go back
to thinking resistance, voltage/current ratio.  Because
at that point when we examine instantaneous behavior,
we have to see differences in potential so we can predict
which way current will flow and what the ratio will do.
We will be looking for a gain function that forces energy
from the ground, into the grenade and out to our load.
I'd be willing to bet there is a voltage/current ratio between
the air and the ground that comes into play here.

Just a concept to discuss your view on voltage/ current ratio

Displacement current is or could be imo part of the proces flowing from grenade to antenne?

How we get Displacement current?...... sharp unipolair pulsing or discharging very fast dielectric field between antenne amd grenade... high dV/dt

Or is it creating a environment as lightning appears.... discharging grenade or antenne w/o sparking..... also by pulsing and or building up potential difference







Dog-One

Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 05:31:17 PM
Just a concept to discuss your view on voltage/ current ratio

Displacement current is or could be imo part of the proces flowing from grenade to antenne?

How we get Displacement current?...... sharp unipolair pulsing or discharging very fast dielectric field between antenne amd grenade... high dV/dt

Or is it creating a environment as lightning appears.... discharging grenade or antenne w/o sparking..... also by pulsing and or building up potential difference

I've been doing some reading...

https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html

What seems very clear to me is, the ground wire has an impedance.
If we do not match to that impedance, forget about pumping any
external energy into the device.  So what frequency do we use to
check the impedance at?

I would have say both the Tesla coil frequency and the push-pull
frequency.  At one frequency current should transfer nearly lossless
and at the other frequency, the ground wire completely attenuates
it.

It could be more difficult than this, because we are heterodyning
within the grenade.  Recall that is a mixing of two frequencies to
get F1 + F2 and F1 - F2.  That is four frequencies of interest now.
We need to find a way to see how much attenuation we get for
all four of those frequencies to our ground connection.

There is correct combination where the ground wire allows current
flow in and stops reverse current flow back out.  That will be our
pump.  My guess is it won't be absolute, but will overall favor one
direction, enough where we can illuminate some lamps.   ;)

Dog-One

To add some more for the previous post, Ruslan has all his
convoluted components for reason--to achieve what I just
expressed.  That's the method to his madness.

First, he needs a high and a low frequency.  Each frequency
is developed by a different means--different voltage/current
ratios.

Second, he needs to mix (heterodyne) those frequencies
so he can snag the composite frequencies in such a way where
there is built-in attenuation.  "Frequency diodes" might be a
way to express the concept here.

Third, he needs to expose theses frequencies to a current
sink/source (ground) using the impedance of the actual
ground wire to control the direction of current flow.

Lastly, he needs to collect the current flow that comes into
the system from the ground wire and pump it out through
a load.


So when Ruslan states there is no magic here, just commonly
known physics, I don't think he is bullshitting us.  He's just
doing it in a way that is not obvious on the surface.  And what
I'm trying to do here is make it obvious, because I think this
method can be used for all sorts of devices we haven't even
thought of yet.  And there may be ways to do this that are
more simple, though I suspect if there were, Ruslan wouldn't
have chosen something so complicated.

apecore

Quote from: Dog-One on March 26, 2023, 06:32:58 PM
I've been doing some reading...

https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html

There is correct combination where the ground wire allows current
flow in and stops reverse current flow back out.  That will be our
pump.  My guess is it won't be absolute, but will overall favor one
direction, enough where we can illuminate some lamps.   ;)

Interesting subject.
So where and how do we srart or begin?
I have currently a 37.5m 16m^2 wire conected between my grenade, kacher secundairy and groundrod.
I can wound it op as a coil for at lrast 20meter.
This was also in one of the old kapanadze/Ruslan vids.

Can we try and measure something?

Dog-One

Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 05:31:14 AM
So where and how do we srart or begin?

I have currently a 37.5m 16m^2 wire conected between my grenade, kacher secundairy and groundrod.
I can wound it op as a coil for at lrast 20meter.
This was also in one of the old kapanadze/Ruslan vids.

Can we try and measure something?

I'm not real certain how except for maybe following Akula's lead
when he built that big measuring coil.  As I recall, he would test it
for resonance with and without the ground connection.  He must
have known all the specifics of that measuring coil and based on
the variance with the ground connection, was able to calculate
what the impedance of the ground had to be.  That's the only
idea I have for now we could try.  I'm not at all sure how to go
about performing the calculation to be honest, but I can spot a
trend in the measurement data if there is one.

You will probably want to use your grenade coil to conduct the
measurement.  If it doesn't give us good data, then I suppose
you could wind a large measuring coil, which you may end up
doing anyway.

If you try it, I would only loosely coil up your ground wire.  That
way you can make a small adjustment either way by coiling it
tighter or by uncoiling it.  Those would be two more measurements
you would want to take.  I would hope to see some consistent
variation between the four measurements.  With that, maybe
I can map the data to some kind of circuit that describes what
we are dealing with.

There's also two ways to conduct the measurements and you'll
probably want to do both of them.

One way is to find the new resonant frequency points.

The other way is to stay at the same resonant point and measure
the change in amplitude--attenuation.

Each way should be telling us the same thing, so I would expect
one way to actually validate the other.

If the data you collect is inconclusive, it could well mean grounding
in your location requires a completely different frequency to get
the effect we need for the device to work properly.  This would
probably explain why there are so few working replications.  It
makes a lot of sense to me that people have built these devices
completely oblivious to the ground circuits they connect them to,
then wonder why they do not show any power gain.  I include
myself in that gang.