Self Looped Cap Dump Bedini Motor

[Dave Wing]

You get the same waveform passing an all south Bedini flywheel past the coil, only inverted.

There is nothing at all special about any of bedini's motors or contraptions, other than they kill perfectly good batteries.
There is nothing special about an all north out flywheel.
In fact, the best configuration is to have alternating fields around the rotor.

What I am talking about now is the waveform in the middle of the scope shot, it is not a normal waveform, it is more negative than positive.

I will throw this out... turn your magnets so you are using them on their sides rather than the north or south faces. You will find turning the rotor one way the waveform will be more positive, then turn the rotor the other way the waveform becomes more negative than positive.

My pulse motor draws more current, produces more output to a secondary battery as the RPM increases... which is the opposite of a normal DC motor. When I load the machine the amperage, the motor draw goes down and the recovery almost stays the same.

Dave Wing

[tinman]

I don't think it is garbage, in my opinion they are trying to get us to think about this... the lesson's I gathered is to use the CEMF to work with you and not against you. CEMF can be recovered along with the inductive coil collapse. That is the lesson they teach.

Dave Wing

If that is what you read from those !books of secrets! they sell, then i rest my case.

The CEMF or BEMF already works with you.
CEMF or BEMF cannot be recovered. as it only exists while the inductor is connected to a power source, and the current is still building in the inductor. This CEMF/BEMF value is always less than that of the source supplied EMF, due to the windings resistance.

The only thing any of those guys teach, is how to destroy batteries.
Think about it. They put out all these books of secrets, but not a single one of them has a self running device.
They sell you these books and video's, but can't build a self runner them self lol.

They are snake oil salesmen-nothing more.
You would get better information from people like me and many others here--and for free.

Out of all the people that have follow these snake oil salesmens advice over all these years, how many have a self running device ?

[tinman]

What I am talking about now is the waveform in the middle of the scope shot, it is not a normal waveform, it is more negative than positive.

I will throw this out... turn your magnets so you are using them on their sides rather than the north or south faces. You will find turning the rotor one way the waveform will be more positive, then turn the rotor the other way the waveform becomes more negative than positive.

My pulse motor draws more current, produces more output to a secondary battery as the RPM increases... which is the opposite of a normal DC motor. When I load the machine the amperage, the motor draw goes down and the recovery almost stays the same.

Dave Wing

If you can post a picture of your motor and where you have the scope probes, i can explain exactly what is going on.

I have built many pulse motors with the magnets laying on their side, and have seen nothing out of the ordinary.

It's ok to post waveforms from a scope, but without a circuit diagram or a picture of how your motor is set up, how can anyone be expected to explain to you what you are seeing.

And a standard DC motor draws more current as you increase the RPM.


Brad

[Dave Wing]

If that is what you read from those !books of secrets! they sell, then i rest my case.

The CEMF or BEMF already works with you.
CEMF or BEMF cannot be recovered. as it only exists while the inductor is connected to a power source, and the current is still building in the inductor. This CEMF/BEMF value is always less than that of the source supplied EMF, due to the windings resistance.

The only thing any of those guys teach, is how to destroy batteries.
Think about it. They put out all these books of secrets, but not a single one of them has a self running device.
They sell you these books and video's, but can't build a self runner them self lol.

They are snake oil salesmen-nothing more.
You would get better information from people like me and many others here--and for free.

Out of all the people that have follow these snake oil salesmens advice over all these years, how many have a self running device ?

If you use the sides of the magnets and not the north or South Pole faces of the magnets you will see for yourself, you will see the Bloch wall will repel iron, which is opposite to north / south poles which attract. A pulse motor will run extremely well when run in this manner. It is an area worth exploring. When you see the waveform I posted you can see an amplitude difference, it is not symmetrical, it is at least at a 2:1 ratio. I would say this approach is closer to unity than anything I have seen or done to date. I know where I am going next, I know my next move in my build. I am shooting for unity in recovery and then cascading the system. Right now I can demonstrate 60-70% recovery with free mechanical. The machine will draw close to 70 percent less current under load, when compared to running at no load speed and still maintain at least 50-60% recovery at load.

When a pulse motor is spinning it's rotor it is acting as a generator, CEMF is being generated and it can charge a parallel capacitor to higher than the supply voltage when the primary dc pulse motor power source is removed. The generating pulse will charge the cap to well beyond the primary supply voltage. That is possible, I have done that many times. If you disconnect the power source CEMF has to be force charging the cap. Unless you have some other explanation?

How much real recovery have you been able achieve on your pulse motor builds? In vs out?

Out of all from Tesla to now and anyone in between I have yet to see anyone give plans on how to build over unity pulse motor system. Maybe you could site one?

Bedini circuit does not destroy batteries, you have to neglect and abuse your batteries to get them to fail. So your statement is false. Any battery will fail if you undercharge, overcharge or misuse them.


Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

If you can post a picture of your motor and where you have the scope probes, i can explain exactly what is going on.

I have built many pulse motors with the magnets laying on their side, and have seen nothing out of the ordinary.

It's ok to post waveforms from a scope, but without a circuit diagram or a picture of how your motor is set up, how can anyone be expected to explain to you what you are seeing.

And a standard DC motor draws more current as you increase the RPM.


Brad

I have no time to show it right now, I'm working and I will be off next week Thursday, I can show then.

When magnets are on their sides there is a whole different experience you will find. Brad, did you not say you need to do something not normal in this field to get results? I did not quote you verbatim however,  but you mentioned something along those lines.

Regarding a standard DC motor it draws less current as it speeds up, when it reaches its no load speed CEMF is at it's maximum. When you load the shaft of the motor it slows down producing less CEMF and more current is used. That is a standard DC motor is it not?


Dave Wing