Lifters are worthless

[Light]

This kind of induction work better with sharp (pointed) ends, not curved; or at least with a flat parallel surfaces.
As for magnets, yes it may make sense, but it’s too heavy to notice any difference in set-up.
To get a Poyting vector we need electrostatic and magnetic fields crossed, so instead of magnet it may be used a coil (solenoid).
But the thrust here is still too low to make it fly, much less then lifter’s; only one hope - it might be reactionless…
Needa more tests…
Cheers

[TinselKoala]

Yes, ionic electric drives are indeed being developed for spacecraft propulsion in vacuum, and have the potential (pun intended!) to work very well indeed. They all incorporate a source of ions, though, like water or xenon, that is ionized and accelerated by the E field and ejected at very high velocity as reaction mass. These drives have high "specific impulse" even though the relative thrust magnitude is low.
The Poynting vector flow drive, if such exists, and the alleged Biefeld-Brown effect, supposedly function without the need for the ejection of reaction mass (ions, ion wind) and so are called "reactionless", and would seem to violate conservation of momentum, at least.
Here are three videos that may be downloaded, of some of my relevant devices. A small electrostatic generator, capable of reaching about 65 kV, is shown powering a few devices. The generator, a Moore's Dirod that I built in 2000, has carbon fiber neutral and transfer brushes, aluminum inductors and brass charge carriers, with an adjustable spark gap and about 400 pF of added capacitance (the 9 white "doorknobs" beneath the sparkgap). The bouncing balls are ping-pong balls coated with conductive paint, as are the balls in the modified Franklin induction motor. The corona motor is a disk of dielectric plastic, and has reached over 30,000 rpm.
http://www.mediafire.com/?kg1diqlmdim
http://www.mediafire.com/?yhjub1ulm4m
http://www.mediafire.com/?zswzj4cnqtg

[Light]

Nice job, TinselKoala
I have similar simple electrostatic pendulum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tpq06Gq9Q
Works good even on one single charge.

Yes, ion-thruster is a good idea, but required a propellant mass to be spend and HV power source, so it’s still limited (in range of solar system if solar powered, and spendable ion-emitting material).
Poynting setup seem working (at least ions flow eliminated), but needa more tests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVeQfZqVcAs

[flathunter]

nice jobs to both of you  

Hope you continue writing on this thread, as im always interested in others who are playing round with the same stuff.

@light

What do you mean when you say you have eliminated ion flow?  Do you mean youve done experiments to prove ion flow isnt the (sole) factor behind the force, or that you have built the thruster in this video to eliminate ion flow, or do you mean both? Have patience with me...I'm new here 

[flathunter]

Coming back to electrostatic induction, I can see why the typical soda bottle electrostatic motor, and Tinsels ping pong device, are simple redistributions and repulsions of like charges, but I cant see how that could possibly be the case with Naudins motor.

The problem I have is this:

the centre electrode is negative or positive, in relation to the other 2 electrodes (1 earthed, and one to the other polarity).  So where exactly does the induction take place??  Perhaps the insulating plastic of the rotor would become negative, but then it would remain at rest being attracted to the outer capacitor plates (or tins of krony ).  No?  Why would one side go up, and the other down?  I cant understand the mechanism.

Please explain to me your thoughts on this guys, and perhaps give me a well needed lesson!