Lifters are worthless

[Steven Dufresne]

even if he take the power supply to the lifter
HE NEED an CONTERPOINT for the Powersupply to the EARTH.

on wire to earth is need to allow an static field between the both items

No connection to Earth is needed. All that's needed is a potential difference/voltage between the foil and the wire.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[pese]

i dont belive this, because this 2 potentionals are not moving the device.
it must connected at 2 different devices , so that can push or attrac ...
Pese

I see not one that have work with the static field that was working with
+ and - potentential at the saucer

[Steven Dufresne]

i dont belive this, because this 2 potentionals are not moving the device.
it must connected at 2 different devices , so that can push or attrac ...

I see not one that have work with the static field that was working with
+ and - potentential at the saucer

Are we talking about the same thing? The one on the following webpage has two connections, + and -. I know because I made it. The polarity can be connected either way and it still flys.
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/lifter/lifter1b/lifter1b.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[TinselKoala]

If you use pinking shears to serrate the bottom edge of the foil it will fly even better. (But it will draw a bit more current too--big surprise.)
At least mine did.
Like this:

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

And mine did seem to fly better on one polarity, but I can't remember whether it was wire-positive and foil-negative, or the other way around.

And I don't believe that a Biefeld-Brown effect has been reliably demonstrated in vacuum. I know of experiments that went as high as 160 kV that should have detected a B_B effect had it been there. They didn't, so the conclusion is that the supposed B-B effect is actually due to ion wind.

[pese]

Are we talking about the same thing? The one on the following webpage has two connections, + and -. I know because I made it. The polarity can be connected either way and it still flys.
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/lifter/lifter1b/lifter1b.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

Jes the same thing

only ONE wire is connected to lifter
the "conter-point" ist the surround ground (earth)
Pese