Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hartiberlin]

Hi Stefan,
you suggest to try to connenct L2 and L3 by hand triggered switch. You must be kidding!
The motor runs at about 3 rotations per seconds, 3 pair of magnets makes it 9 trigger moments per second. The switch has to be closed at the right time this is impossible to be done by hand. It could work but it rather won't.
PK

Hi,
FESearcher,
just connect to the shaft a bigger flywheel, e.g. a iron disc or
some other heavy weight parts, so it has a big mass.

Then just turn the shaft only at around 1 revolutions/sec and then you can tap the switch
easily 3 times/sec or more or less and see, if the cap voltage will rise or fall
and if the rev/sec will change !
That should be easy to do for you.

Regards, Stefan.

[CTG Labs]

Just to confirm the diode is the right way round in the diagram!


Dave.

[callanan]

Hi all,

I have done some tests using solid state switching in a circuit modification as Mike has shown. I have not replicated his modification because I don't have the parts he used.

I have substituted his parts with parts or circuit configurations that do the same thing. I know this is not the way to this but with certain results I have so far I thought it might benefit others in exploring Mike's modification until all of us have his same parts and setup if that's possible.

I have used a small pick up coil that turns on a transistor instead of a hall switch. I have used this on it's own to replace both the hall switch and SS relay as well as used this to trigger an AC SS relay.

Connected to the circuit with a diode as Mike has shown, it does not self run. It does not produce a large negative pulse as in Mike's scope shot. But the motor will run normally with a battery power source.

Now here is what is interesting. If I place a small battery in series with the SS relay and diode such that the battery's positive is connected to the diode (obviously), then the motor will run without any other power source.

The motor does of course draw power from the small added battery that can be anything from a few volts. But the power is only a few milliamps.

So what I would like to point out here, is that with Mike's modification, I believe I have shown experimentally that if his SS relay were acting as an active device and not just a passive device, which is what it is, then I have clearly proved that the motor WILL self run as per his modification.

One more important thing to note. Even with the added small battery in series with the SS relay and diode, I still do not get such a large negative pulse like Mike shows in his scope trace. I do get an increase in size of this same pulse but not large like his. It seems that possibly the active component within his SS relay is adding considerable energy to produce such a large pulse he has shown...

Regards,

Ossie

[hartiberlin]

EMdevices wrote:
I'm glad to see we are comming around and looking closer at what Mike has done.

To help in this effort I've composed the following diagram.

It is no mystery what Mike has done. By the way Stephan, these Scope shots are NOT INVERTED. Mike told us specificaly how he measured them, like I labled on the circuit (notice the ground symbol)

Notice, the swing happens because the diode BLOCKS. This is not the CHARGING phase, else the voltage would stay at this level..

Also note, that his Hall Sensor operates everyother cycle. He could improve his motor by getting another Hall sensor.

Hi EM,
well done.

As user Neptune on my forum told us,
that there is no current path at all from L2 ( which has a higher voltage)
to L3 or the other way around with Mike?s
circuit, the only thing, what the SS-Relay will do, is
SHORT-OUT the L3 coil !

This will probably give a big induction pulse into L1 and L2,
so that the Transistors are conducting and L2 will get this big kick induction voltage then.

This the the cause of big voltage spike we see.
That is also why it was hard to see, as it does not appear
directly but only via back-induction to L2 !

Hope this helps now to better understand the motor principle !

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Compare again with my earlier posted compensation circuit diagram. There you can see, that the only
conduction path, when SS-Relay is switching on,
is the shortout of L3 via the 2 diodes, the one at the SS-Relay and the lower left diode.
Maybe it would even work better, when L3 is directly shorted out ?

P.P.S: The compensation diagram is drawn at the time,  when the transistors are conducting, so the
L2 main coil is directly connected to the cap !

[neptune]

Hi again. In post no 327 above, Callanan describes an expriment with a small added battery, which blows my theory out of the water. [My theory that there is no output path for the motor coil to act as a generator, see above] . However, with this small battery[and no other ] in cicuit it should be easy to trace the current path. Put a milliamp meter in series with said battery, and disconnect various wires in turn, untill the current stops. Yes I know I am finding work for others, but it will help to solve this Puzzle. This might just be the most significant test in determining the role of the SS relay. Wishing massive overunity to all, Neptune.