Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hydrocontrol]

Hi All,
I am hesitant to post this information for fear of being killed as the messenger but here goes :  I posted this in the gn0sis forum and no response so I added more information here.
There has been a lot of speculation of what Mike used for the SSR and how it was hooked up. Mike showed us still pictures that show one type of SSR while the actual video shows another type.  The one in the video shows connectors in center of the SSR. I reviewed what Mike has written in the gn0sis thread I noticed he mentioned bgmicro as the place he got his capacitor. Based on this I did a search of BGmicro and look what I found.

http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=10905

A dual SSR. Now this looks a lot like what he used in his running video motor and would make sense if he was ordering items from the same supplier. You guys maybe jumping up about about now and saying that must be it..  That must be the part. Hold on a second... Now go view the FULL length video that Rich of gn0sis posted of Mikes motor running. The newly added second half of the video is the important part. Watch very carefully as he pans closer to the motor while it is running. Freeze the video while it is showing the SSR. (there are a couple of stills posted in this thread as well) Look very carefully at the wires. The trigger wires go to the center pins. Look closely... Yep it looks like those wires goe to two right pins so that would be ground and B. Okay looks good.. so what of it,you think. Now look very closely and carefully at the wires going to the SSR output spade connectors. Look at the mounting holes of the SSR. Now look at those spade wire output again. Now look at the diagram faceplate of the standard dual SSR BGmicro link I posted above.. Now figure out what is wrong with this pictures....   Where are those output wires hooked up too... So what does the SSR do

The Answer... For those that do not want to take the time to check it out it is this. A dual SSR has a output on each end so we have output A at one end with spade connections and output B at the other end with spade connectors. Each end has labels 1 and 2. The input to trigger either one is from the four input pins in the middle of the SSR. So Mike has one wire hooked to spade pin 2 of SSR-A and pin 3 of SSR-B. Mike is triggering SRA-B. There are no connections between SRR-A pin 1 and SSR-B pin 2. So in the 'proof' video what is the SSR doing in this configuration.. Nothing..

[Liberty]

I have a question for the builders of the window motor.

Has anyone taken a meter reading on how much power it takes to actually run the window motor itself?  (How much power do the generating coils need to produce to run the motor?)

[dingbat]

Hi Dingbat,
your circuit is not correct. Because of the diodes, L2 will never get powered by the cap. Actually in your circuit no coil will be powered at all, so the motor cannot run. The coils only serve as generators! However, if you bridge the extra diode and the one of the rectifier bridge by using the SS relay maybe this will do.
PK

This is not a complete circuit, just the feedback portion of the system - see harti's earlier posts.  This is just a simplified representation of the feedback portion of the system.

The motor gets powered by the cap shown, through transistors that are not shown.  This diagram does not show the trigger coil either.  You must look at the complete circuit for the rest of the details.

Sorry for the confusion.

[slncspkr]

 @spp-48
hello spp, I,m glad you got a self runner too.
  It seems nobody cares if someone else got another motor runing on it own
they are too busy trying to figure out how the first one works. but that's ok
it is part of the game right?
can you tell us if your motor was still running after you got home?
and can you also post a short video or at least pics?
and 1 last thing, can you describe what parts and config you used?
thanks in advance.

[Omnibus]

@slncspkr,

I also saw the posting of @SPP-48 and am waiting for his report after he comes back from work. It?s not that no one pays attention but everyone is so burnt out already that something like this sounding too good to be true must be substantiated a little more. No one needs another @Mike wetting everybody?s appetite and disappearing just when the dessert was to come.