Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[dingbat]

Kind of off subject, but -

These are all quotes from gn0sis - mostly stuff that Mike said.
Reviewing it gives some clues on his thought process.

2007/02/10 12:41
Hi Dom,

wind your coil yet?

look for about 6-8 ohms on the main winding this gives a large back EMF wich charges the cap quick at first.

I will try to attach the video of my window type motor now

cheers
Mike

2007/02/11 05:16
Hey Dom,

The circuit will need a battery for power source.. Their are some modifications needed for acheiving unity, then you can get rid of the battery. Dont worry about that for now just get it to run with a battery.


Also I made a mistake the main winding on my motor is 46 ohms so 40-60 ohms sorry about thatsad
cheers
Mike

2007/02/11 08:19
Yes feedback, and play with sw1 timing

          o I must tell you I use the third winding on my stator coil as a generator winding to charge the cap up from 0v, then when the transistors begin to pulse the back emf through sw1 brings the voltage on the cap even higher till it levels and the motor is then runing at unity (this is just what I think is hapening and I could be missing somthing here)


OK
Mike

2007/02/11 22:19

@Marco I don't Know how long the motor can run for, but I always stop it after a few hours or so. I am scared to leave it running unattended (a fire or explosion would not be good)the running voltage is higher when I give it a big spin by hand. so far every time I ran it the voltage has always leveled off some where bellow 12v or so my cap is good up to 25v

@D glad to here that you have started construction

cheers

2007/02/11 22:51
Yes all correct. I am working on a diagram type schematic that should help. I will post it soon.

Mike


The trigger coil is for motor timing, The hall effect is for charge timing.
2007/02/12 02:15
allright after tracing all the wires I have come up with a diagram of the modification. and a close call, I had found the motor would not run after a couple wires were swiched around by accident. coil polarity is very important.razz

2007/02/12 02:34
@Tao
yes same as Bedini/Cole.

All components are the same except for the added parts a hall IC and a ss relay and also third winding.

cheers
Mike

2007/02/13 00:43
great work D.

you must get your window motor running,
then we can talk about charge timing and unity.
study the scope shots I posted and you will get an idea of timing. Two EMF spikes per cycle

I go back to work
Mike

2007/02/14 01:52
@ Stefan
I think the third winding is allways charging the cap
the ss relay puts the main winding in series with the third winding at the correct time, take into account the rectifier diode in between them.

Mike

2007/02/14 02:41
stefan,

I don't know if all is needed for the circuit.I just know that this is how I got it to run longer. how long I dont know so far maby a couple hours. I belive it is working at or near unity. i will swap the bad parts now and try to get it running again.

As for the posistion of my flywheel magnets I will give that info later after I have finished my testing.

cheers
Mike

2007/02/14 02:57
yes the original circuit will charge the cap

my modification charged the cap from 0v faster

2007/02/15 04:54
HMM wrote:
OK Stefan, on second look your circuit is correct.
the ss relay on your circuit looked wrong but I see it now

sorry Mike

No problem Mike,
at least we know now, that I did draw it right.

I am still puzzled if the lower NPN transistor is
still conducting, when you use the SS Relay ?

Do you charge up the capacitor just with the
spikes or also with the current waveform between the
2 spikes ?
2007/02/15 05:06
I know that the third winding charges the cap. and I think somthing coming through the ss relay helps this charge.

still trying to get my motor to work correctly, It has prooven to be harder than I thought.

I will post new scope shots soon

Mike

2007/02/15 05:39
I just want to say that I have never claimed this to be overunity I think it is near unity the third winding charges the cap quickly and the motor runs of this charge for a long time not forever.

Mike

2007/02/15 22:35
@Stefan

taken across cap neg. and ss relay output before diode.

scope neg to cap neg
2007/02/15 22:41
no it will not run long without hall sensing. I pulled the hall output to ss relay, I spun it by hand for the scope shot (without hall ss relay)

2007/02/16 05:11
thank you Dom,

Lets build and then compare results
I am going to build another to the same specs and see if it performes the same.

When you get your motor to run on a battery, charge a cap off the bridge dc then time the ss relay to dump this charge back on the battery. when you get the correct timing the motor will draw little to no current from the battery. this will be the same timing for the moddified circuit. use three magnets in triangle formation.

Hope this helps

cheers mike

[neptune]

Here is some info that may be irrelevant, or it just might be a key to the whole problem of the current path for the motor coil to charge the cap. I have just been reading about a circuit where an ordinary NPN silicon transistor, which is NOT switched on , indeed it has nothing connected to the base. Yet it not only conducts in the "wrong direction", but exibits NEGATIVE RESISTANCE whilst doing so. When it comes to understanding circuits, I am just a thick ex-lorry driver. But what if I am right. Better brains than mine need to look at this, and dont dismiss it without looking. Google "negistor" and there are 2 sites of interest , one is Keelynet, and the other is, I think, a John Bedini site. Wasnt John saying something like this? Go on, take a look, You KNOW you want to. I have limited computor skills and cant post links, But one of the sites mentions a specific transistor that definitely shows these characteristics. Dont let this pass without comment....Neptune

[cloudfire]

This Bedini/Cole motor sounds an awful lot like what the guys over at Steorn are doing.

Sean McCarthy stated in an RTE radio interview that, "What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy... The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy."
(from wikipedia)

this company names their technology "orbo" and only have patented one part of their system, because the patent office doesn't take patents having to do with the breaking of the supposed "laws of physics"

they say they will give specifications by the end of this quarter, and put it in the market by the end of '07.

check it out at www.steorn.com

[Peterae]

With regard to transistor junction, i remember an Endless Amplifier on J Naudins site looked very interesting and have wondered if the phases could be adapted to drive a window motor, the energy appears betwen the transistor junctions.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gsea21.htm

[pese]

this is not absorber
this is not a amplifierer
this will not take any "free energy".
It is only an multivibrator that works
over 3 transistors than usually 2 transistors.

(not posh-pull , but rotating 120? switching)

cant be used for devices that members (here) are lockimg vor.

Gustav Pes?

http://pese/159m.com/fe/index.html