Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[dingbat]

From observing Mike's video, it looks like the cap charges from 0V to about 5 volts in about 12 or 13 seconds.

The best I could do with my circuit was about 1.93 volts in 10 seconds. See my attached pics ("mine_10s.jpg", and "bcwm02.jpg"). My circuit utilizes 2 diodes (D2 & D7) in the "normal" way to capture the bemf from L2.

I have isolated the capacitor just so I can compare charging with different circuit changes.

Look at my drawing "bcwm01.jpg". This is close to Mike's original, but I have shorted out the switch S1. Now see the charging curve of the cap...pic "Mikes_10s_S1short.jpg". One or two more seconds and I'm sure the cap voltage would be very close to what Mike's achieved in his video.

That's a very fast charge by comparison to anything else, but don't get too excited about this because the cap is charging mainly via two mechanisms, 1) from the battery->Q3-C path, and 2) from the generator action of L2. Agreed?

Anyway, it gives a good insight into roughly what the fastest possible charging of the cap can be.

Darren

I think this is good information.  If anything seems a little out of line in Mike's video it is the charging rate of that capacitor.  at 47,000 uF it is hard to believe how fast it charges.


There are a couple of ways to proceed.  There seems to be a faction that is trying to reverse engineer exactly what Mike did, and treat it like every detail was critical to the operation of the device.  If the exact ssr, or the exact coils, or the exact transistors are really that critical, I don't think I want to build that device.

To believe that each and every component has to be the same to observe "the effect" that we are assuming Mike brought to life, then it is too much of a quirk for me to chase.

I think if this device Mike made "works", then there is or will be an explanation for why it works, and there will be a wide range of ways to reproduce this effect, once it is understood.

I would rather try to understand (by using such analysis as Darren is doing, and other though processes and analysis) what is going on, what is possible by conventional explanations, and how big the gap is between conventional analysis and what is happening in Mike's video.

To that end, Darren's calculations show that conventional analysis of Mike's supposed circuit would probably not charge the capacitor as fast as the video shows.  The gap between conventional analysis and Mike's video is probably a factor of at least two in the charging time of the capacitor.  Thus we have to realize going in that a device will have to gain enough charge from somewhere to make up this difference.

Before I build, I would also like to have some idea of where the excess might come from.  I'm not asking for proof or a complete understanding before I start winding coils, but I want to have some speculations as to what is going on.  For that reason I am studying the Naudin, Bedini, and other information for theories on what might be happening.

Another analysis that I think is worthwhile is some basic calculations on what kind of power we want to see to claim anything useful is happening.  To put things into perspective, it is easy for the average person to believe that a clock can run for a year or more on one winding, or for numerous years on one battery.  We see this all the time.  When we see a small motor running on what we think is a very small amount of power we tend to think some kind of magic is happening.

Just rambling.

DB

[Peterae]

Dingbat
The best way i think is to start by replicating and proving Mike design, we dont know what makes it work, but by trying to build something different to find out is not the way to go, what ever caused Mikes to work is something we dont understand, the only way to understand is to play with and modify a working model.im still yet to here anyone who has a coil like Mikes, this could be critical, also the Steel Cupped washers that shield Torodial transformer were used by Mike to shield part of the Magnetic field from his Armeature, i would also think these are intentional, again i am yet to see anyone try these. Mike would have used them for a reason, it may just be his way of centering a plastic tube to mount the magnets on, but we dont know.Also there is clearance from the magnets to the disk washers is this critical to let flux bleed from the inner poles of the magnets.I can go on.
My point if you are going to prove Mikes design dont build something different.

[z_p_e]

All,

I want to say one thing here:

I am not trying to prove Mike's motor is a fake. On the contrary, I am hoping to discover the mechanism that would permit the operation we see in his video.

However, in light of seeing that the ssr in the video does not appear to be connected in such a way to achieve switching, AND noting the high rate of charge on his capacitor (as if S1 is shorted), one can't help but suspect there may be some fakery going on there.

I hope I'm wrong.

Darren

[z_p_e]

I think if this device Mike made "works", then there is or will be an explanation for why it works, and there will be a wide range of ways to reproduce this effect, once it is understood.

Absolutely! DB

The key phrase being "once it is understood". I think the best way to achieve understanding is to try as best as one can to copy the original.

If you build something different and don't achieve any "effect", how will you know if it is because there is no "effect" at all, or if it is because your build is not the same as the original?

In my humble opinion, the only detail we are really missing with Mike's motor is the exact transistor types he used. We do know the approximate size and therefore rating of them though, and that is why I have chosen the TIP33/34.

I'm not sure if the washers have any effect on his motor (I don't even see them), but there is another detail that most are missing, and that is that Mike's coil mass is wider than it is high....meaning it is more rectangular than it is square. Everyone seems to be making their coils more or less square.

Has anyone also noticed that he appears to be using two stacked magnets for each magnet?

Darren

[war123ren]

hi all i am new to this site
it seems quite interesting all the different modles you have made
i have decided to give this a go also
i am an electrical fitter with 21 years in the motor winding industry
i have access to many machines and parts
i have my own lab which i studdy free energy
i will be posting pics of my divice so you can see my progress also
wish me luck  as i wish every one the best

thanks
warren