Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

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Sam wrote:

This is what I got. It looks nothing like Mike?s shots, but It does have some rather large spikes every 3 or so cycles.

On the contrary Sam, you are close. Your D2 shot is very similar to my own in fact. Of course you have your scope leads inverted, or the channel inverted, but that's ok.

The tops should be rounded somewhat as shown in pics shot. I have not been able to get this quite yet either, but still working on it.

Now you just have to time S1 to switch ON at the first downward spike.

With one timing magnet, you will have one larger spike every 3 cycles. That is ok for now, as there is no point in adding the other two magnets until the ou effect is seen.

One other thing, I have not been able to get the spike spacing as shown in Mike's and now Sam's scope shots. The spikes in my model are much closer together. Still trying to figure out what affects this double-spike spacing.

Oh, and the post saying the energy above 0V is what is put in, and the enrgy below 0V is what is put back, is not correct. This is simply a waveform, nothing more at the moment.

Dingbat is right in that this is a troublesome spot to be scoping, as I pointefd out some time ago, but still it is all we have of the ou effect, so I still use it as a reference. I agree that the 3 coils is also a good reference for comparisons....again these are all we have anyway.

See Sam's annotated scope shot below.

Darren

[bitbo]

Two questions:

1. Am i am right, when assuming that Mike had the hall sensor fired only once per six magnets passing through ?

2. Does the trigger coil fire the motor 3 times or 6 times per revolution ?

Bye bitbo

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1. Am i am right, when assuming that Mike had the hall sensor fired only once per six magnets passing through ?

2. Does the trigger coil fire the motor 3 times or 6 times per revolution ?

1. Yes. In the video there appears to be only one timing magnet on the pulley. So the ssr switches ON and OFF once per rev.

2. It fires Q1-Q3 three times per revolution. 6 magnets alternated N-S creates 3 sine cycles per revolution.

Darren

PS. In my tests so far with my model, D2 does not conduct, even if S1 is switching ON coincident with L2's bemf spike.

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Thanks for the constructive comments guys. As you can see I'm a total novice with the scope. I worked on it some more tonight before reading the posts so the shots are still inverted. I discovered something very interesting though. Firstly, the USB scope has a maximum of 20v, so when I went to 10x the spikes shot up to 5v which I assume translates to 50v.  I also realised that by recording rather than reading at realtime I was able to increase the sensitivity and read the spikes on every cycle. Also, I got consistent double spikes by changing the value of the resistor on the first transistor. It is now set at 15K. See pic.

When I totally disconnected the hall IC there was no change on the scope. When I removed the SSR, the pattern went to a sine wave. See pics. I put the relay back and the scope was reading exactly the same with only the output pins 1 and 2 (see pic) on the relay connected across the switch.

@Peterae
The USB scope is called Poscope Basic which I got from Jaycar Electronics. I believe it's available in Europe and the US. I'm only just starting to come to grips with it, but I would say that it is fairly basic and has only very limited adjustment. It is cheap at $270 AUD when compared to real ones, but I believe will suit my purpose for this project. It also needs a fairly high spec Windows PC to run. Info is available on the net.

Tomorrow I may post some shots taken at the Cap and the coils as suggested (the right way up).

Cheers

Sam

[dingbat]

Sam,

You currently have your scope connected according to the diagram in your earlier post, right?

Do you have the negative of the scope connected to the negative side of the capacitor, and the positive lead connected between the ssr and the diode?

And you are positive that there is not an invert function on the scope?

DB