Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[z_p_e]

Arguably they have to be going somewhere when the magnetic field collapses.

DB, if you mean "somewhere" as being outside or beyond the point of the coil ends, this is not necessarily so.

Even though these are air-core coils, they are not ideal inductors. Just as every straight piece of wire has inductance, every coil has a "parasitic" parallel capacitor (Cp) and resistor (Rp), no matter how small or large, respectively.

If we DC energize a coil, then disconnect it entirely from the outside world, it's terminal voltage will reverse, and rise to such a level to dissipate energy in this parallel network, thus satisfying conservation of energy. We don't get all of the energy back electrically, because of heat losses due to Rs, and other losses due to Rp (core loss?), and Cp.

When L2 collapses, what paths does it see? Not only this parallel network, but two reverse-biased pn junctions. Is the impedance of these two reverse-biased pn junctions infinity? No. Do these to pn junctions also have parasitic capacitances...yes. So there are high impedance external and "internal" paths to close the loop when L2's field collapses.

Darren

[Peterae]

Hi Dingbat
I have not been able to trace the Hall drive circuit, but i feel that can only work one way.
I was use a video editor that came with my PC, not even sure what it was called, but it allowed me to single frame and capture, i then saved the frame and use photoshop to zoom clean up , the only frames of any use are at the end of the video, altho some earlier shots allow for the distinquishing of rough direction, that cant be seen later on.I have not saved any of the frames as there are quiet a few.I am done with that now, but it would be good for you to verify what i have seen.
I will look at the software tommorow to see what it is called and let you know, as i think it is only a free demo, as it asks me to register every now and then.
I did post 1 frame here earlier.
In the following frame you can see the SSR red lead going to the Gen winding, and if you look very carefully there is a black wire shooting down and cutting across it which tucks in the terminal on the left of it, also if you look at the far right side of the terminal you will also see a wire from memory this 1 is from the main winding which goes to the bridge.
It takes some seeing and it helps to have many frames opened at the same time.

[dingbat]

DB, if you mean "somewhere" as being outside or beyond the point of the coil ends, this is not necessarily so.

Even though these are air-core coils, they are not ideal inductors. Just as every straight piece of wire has inductance, every coil has a "parasitic" parallel capacitor (Cp) and resistor (Rp), no matter how small or large, respectively.

If we DC energize a coil, then disconnect it entirely from the outside world, it's terminal voltage will reverse, and rise to such a level to dissipate energy in this parallel network, thus satisfying conservation of energy. We don't get all of the energy back electrically, because of heat losses due to Rs, and other losses due to Rp (core loss?), and Cp.

When L2 collapses, what paths does it see? Not only this parallel network, but two reverse-biased pn junctions. Is the impedance of these two reverse-biased pn junctions infinity? No. Do these to pn junctions also have parasitic capacitances...yes. So there are high impedance external and "internal" paths to close the loop when L2's field collapses.

Darren

Agreed, but whatever residual charge is in the coil is going to dissipate rapidly, and it is going to take the easiest path it can.  In the case of a car coil, it is across the spark plug gap.  In this circuit, who knows.  I'm just theroizing that if the motor wasn't fake, maybe the coil kicks against the transistor and discharges through the ssr, diodes and gets to the cap.  Who knows.  The polarity of the kick again becomes the problem with my theory.

[Peterae]

Hi
Darren
How did the sim go

Peter

[z_p_e]

Hi Peter.

Just got home .5 ago. chatting with my wife in Peru at the moment....will do some sims a little later

Darren