Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hartiberlin]

Barbosi and all,
please be patient.
Mike is not that fast and probably works on a shoestring budget and
also has only time to work at evenings on it
and is still waiting for his new HALL IC to arrive.

Barbosi, your circuit is wrong, it will short out the 3rd coil.

The hall IC has an open collector transitor, which pulls the internal
LED and series resistor of the SS Relay to ground, when energized by the
rotating magnet at the additional axis sync wheel.
Then it triggers optically the 2 triacs in the SS relay
and makes them conducting..

How the 2 triacs again close and at which exact time
period is not yet clear to me...

It would be best, if Mike could later try to replace
the SS relay with a reedswitch and see, if this will work too...

Regards, Stefan.

[barbosi]

...
The hall IC has an open collector transitor, which pulls the internal
LED and series resistor of the SS Relay to ground, when energized by the
rotating magnet at the additional axis sync wheel.
...

What hall IC is it? (looking for datasheet)

My point is the hall IC has in input, ground, and output (not important now if is open colector or drain or nothing at all).
The principle is: while near magnet, what is at input is refleted at the output (sometimes inverted)

The way I see it in the picture, the middle pin is ground, the left pin is input, and the remaining pin is the output. The only way I see the relay is "energised", is if the output is inverted. Because the other pin of relay's IN is at "+".

So the type of hall IC is quit important.

If anyone have a second look at the schematic, will notice this "peculiarity".

I apologise if I ofend somehow, someone, but I insist around this subject but this is how we willingly and conciously get the whole information.

With regard to the second diode, I'm not convinced yet it shorts the coil, I rather think a further diferential aproach could take advantage of the second alternance.

But first thing first and most important, lets see this puppy runing again. and have it documented properly.

Thanks.

[barbosi]

Other unanswered questios:

1. related to timing (I further retract the sugestion I made concerning the sync wheel), why the motor spins in both directions? Is the hall IC sensitive enough to open while the magnet is still far away?

2. Why the components got burned? Beside hall IC was there any other component? It helps to determine the failure root cause.

3. How much raises the voltage on capacitor?

4. Wouldn't be nice if it would be possible to computerized log the voltage on the cap while the motor is runing for long time?

5. Could it take a load to drive a G field machine at least?

[pese]

an moter that must not powering and not work , will not take
power from the battery (smallest consumtion!)

see the bedini circuit , its the same without the L3 Coil
dont replace the contact with reed-contact or semiconductors

http://pixerve.de/42508/pese.html

[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
By having again a look at my sloppy posted circuit diagramm
and at the main scopeshot,
I did redraw, how the circuit looks,
when all transistors are conducting.

As coil 1 ( trigger coil) plays no role
in energy output, I have not drawn it into the circuit.


Attached the compensation circuit.