Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

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Maybe this is the actual relay shown in Mikes video...

It certainly looks like it could be this one, or the 250 (zero-crossing) model, except for one small detail; according to the datasheet for this dual relay, each output is at each end where the mounting holes are. In Mike's video, he is not using the spade connectors this way. He would be using one terminal from each output according to this spec sheet, which of course would not do anything.

http://www.crouzet-usa.com/catalog/obsolete/dualssr.pdf

btw, this part is obsolete too.

Darren

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I would also like to see what happens if the trigger winding is set 180 degrees out of phase with the main winding. (because this would be an easy mistake to make)

db, This is what the Drive coil looks like with the Trigger coil inverted....so it should be obvious with a scope.

Darren

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The Generator coil scope shot with the MJL1302A and MJL3281A transistors. Getting closer I think. Transistors do make a difference in this model.

Edit. Sorry, I previously said Drive coil. This is the Generator coil shot.

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Stefan,

I'd like to comment on EM's post, and no disrespect to him, but to be honest, I can't really make heads nor tails of what he is saying, nor what the point is he is trying to make.

EM, are you here?

Regards,
Darren

Darren,

I'm not sure if I can explain this well, but I'm going to try.

On the gn0sis.com discussion, a big deal was made of the "spike" in that particular scope shot.  It was even touted as the key to the operation of the device.  EM noticed that the spike appears to be the top part of the sine wave across L2.  (Which sort of debunks the supposed significance of the "spike")

I think EM's observation is significant.  I agree with EM, that a portion of the trace is actually the L2 voltage.  His overlay clearly shows which part of the waveform matches the L2 voltage, and how closely it matches.  It doesn't look like some kind of magic spike when you see EM's diagram.

I think there are some important clues in that scope shot that come to light because of this observation, especially as to whether the ssr was really firing or not.

Because of where the scope was connected, I don't think we would see the exact L2 voltage on the scope unless the SSR was triggered (somewhat confirmed by your simulation).

That scope shot was the same as your D2 shot.  This is why I wanted to see what happens when you trigger the ssr in your model.  If you can reproduce Mikes scope shot with your D2 shot, including the ssr firing, I think it would be significant, because it would be evidence that Mike's ssr was really triggering when he took the scope shot.  If we can conclude that it was triggering, we know almost how long it was triggering by doing some measuring on his scope trace.

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Is your last shot the drive coil or the trigger coil?  it looks like the trigger winding, but it is labelled drive.