High voltage HHO by IronHead

[reddb49]

Hi everyone! I have spent numerous hours reading over information on the internet on electrolysis and even made the circuit with the plates from the D16.pdf version with the plate configuration. Made up about 90 4x6 inch plates for this cell. Tried numerous ways to get it to work like it was suppose to. I recently looked at Ironhead?s post on the cell with the neutral plate design and hooked the plates with ? in spacing to 120V AC rectified and to my amazement with less than 5 Amps I was getting more gas output than any other way I have tried. I am in the process of machining slots to build something like on page 85 and enclose the cell. My question is. What is the maximum distance I can have the neutral plate to the positive plates, I was going to make it approximately 12 inches long to start out with and cut my 1/16 grooves on 3/16 centerline. This would give me a spacing of 1/8 inch. I can move the plates out to ? inch apart if the 1/8 inch drew to many amps. Has anyone built a larger cell this long? I?ll enclose a picture of the plate support spacing. The material I am using is UHMW Polyethylene. Also found a NTE5342 Bridge Rectifier that will support a average forward current of 40 Amps at 600 Volts I am using. Great work everyone!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I'm just telling you that you should have the thing flow as well as possible .
There is a small amount of common sense involved with this as well.
At this point how ever you do this is up to you .

Fair enough. I think with rows of six to eight 1/8" holes between the plates at the bottom, once gas production begins convection created by the rising bubbles should draw more than enough fluid through. This can become another variable to experiment with by blocking some or all of the holes. How much is enough? Will reducing the number of holes and decreasing the leakage current around the bottom of the plates outweigh the flow restriction? Etc.

ZFF

[IronHead]

@ reddb49

The Cell you are designing should work fine.
There is one thing you want to watch out for at 1/8" spacing with this kind of voltage.
That is out of field voltage arcs . Like this

This is normal electric to plate travel.
|--->|
|--->|
|--->|

If the voltage is to high for the distance you might get this. 1/8" is a little close I think
|      |
|--->|
|      |



IronHead

[IronHead]

@ZeroFossilFuel

I think that "six to eight 1/8" holes between the plates at the bottom"
Is going to work very well for you,  it has for me in other Cell at least till you pump it.

It is always a trade off when doing a stand alone Cell like this . Better flow  does out weigh voltage leaks in all case I have seen. So  being a test Cell  I think what you are doing here is going to be fine.

[Zoi]

Hi everyone.

I am working on a electolizer and have some questions from your experiance i think you can help.

I am currently using 3 SS 316 pipes 1" 2" 3" I used to have them equally spaced out and using KOH 2 %  and RO water. I got good out put I thought (nothing like your high voltage system)  using 12 volts straight amps were anywhere from 7 to 15 when she got warmed up. I then starting learning more about the current. The distance of the plates vs the solution both increasing current. So I took the cell appart and spaced the tubes by puting a little piece of zip tie between the cylinders so that one side is very close to the outer tube and the other is about 3/4 of a inch away. To simplify if you put the 1 inch in the two and the two in the three and laid it on its side and then spaced the touching tubes with some zip tie material. I noticed that I got more gas production and that it was a high concentration where the gap was very tight and then it would move the water and gas in a have moon pattern on each side. For some reason I got more production this way. ANyway I have read about your ideas on polarity and wonder why when i have  a - 1 inch tube + 2 inch tube and a -3 inch tube I produce more gas vs the + -+ configuration that you recomend? I get higher amps with +-+ but less gas.

What are you using for electrolite? Is it just Lye or a combo of Silver , Mag, and Lye?

Here is a pic of the higher  gas production setup of my cell. ( I don't know if it is higher oxy or Hydro?)

By the way I like your post about doing the experiments vs watching. I am a go to guy and very excited about this technology. I have put this setup on my Little car (classic Mini cooper) 1000 cc engine and noticed some gains in the Hp didn't check the milage because i am trying to perfect the mixture in the carb of gas vs HHo and Air from the filter. I notice that I get some vacume problems at the bubbler. When i hit the throttle the bubbler stops. Still looking for a solution on that one. Right now I have the cell out in my shop for testing. In my auto system I have tapped off the exhauset with a small coper hose and ran it to the bottom of my cell  with a inline valve to adjust the exhaust intake of the cell. My check valve is a heavy brass swing valve and it is not working properly I am in the process of finding a adjustable valve so I can run it with the min pressure so i can get a better idea of tunning it. The reason for this exhaust hose is to help the bubbles that from on the pipes rise off. I assume this will have a effect on the vaccum but I don't know anything about vaccum just yet. Probably why i have a problem with my bubbler at this time. Anyway I am thinking about buying a 1.5 and 2.5 and puting them in so I can equally space my cell but I need to know about the polarity of the tubes and how they effect. Any help or suggestions from anyone are greatly appreciated. here is a great masterpiece from Ms Paint of my cell. the tubes are 5 inch tall and are vertical in a 4 inch inside dia acrylic tube. with rubber caps on each end.

Yiasas