IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU

[archon79]

Some important information about the TPU has come to light that deserves a thread of its own. If you do not follow this advice you will be completely wasting your time doing TPU replications.

Steve Mark has told Mannix that the solid state circuit part of his design must be located within the collector coil

"Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up."

This also means that some of you may have actually come across the correct design for a working TPU, but since the circuit was not inside the coil you just ditched the design and moved on to the next one. Frustrating yes, but now you know.

This info could also be just some disinformation as we do not really know if it is SM talking to Mannix. But on all the videos when a TPU is actually functioning it does seem correct that the circuits are kept within the coil.

Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.



I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in  the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the  project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices?   So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add?  Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.

[Mannix]

Hey,

Has somebody turned on a light?

I wonder if the tubes my be important too.

It could be that they are also "easier" ..."especially to begin with"
Of course if it does not fit with your idea of "TPU" then it must be wrong ay?

Steven has supplied information and experiences and even some well meant advice.

It is in some ways it is  a tragedy that it is not heeded as was intended ...but  some may see it that  this some sort of silly game.
 

The info about the tubes has available for over a year...go figure!

Imagine, just  for a second that  everything that has come from Steven thru me is all true......now there's a thought!

If I was making this up we would be using yak poo for the core by now Ha!

Im not saying that this is easy..just that we have been told how to make it easier.

I probably sound cynical...Perhaps  it is well understood by some

good hunting!

Lindsay

[Moab]

Lindsay.

I have tested with some tubes. The difference is thay are stable as a rock when compaired to ICs. also one will see ringing "Echos" on the scope. ICs dont do this.
The only ringing will be from the coils, But when both tube and coil ring, Well it sure makes pretty marks on my scope, one Question is, How do any of you see Tubes in SM's coils? there arnt any. so it has to be ICs we have all seen and many have commented on the Bumps within the SM coils. The million dollar question is what are these ICs and how are they put togather.
                                                            Moab




                                                       

[archon79]

Hey,

Has somebody turned on a light?

I wonder if the tubes my be important too.

It could be that they are also "easier" ..."especially to begin with"
Of course if it does not fit with your idea of "TPU" then it must be wrong ay?

Steven has supplied information and experiences and even some well meant advice.

It is in some ways it is  a tragedy that it is not heeded as was intended ...but  some may see it that  this some sort of silly game.
 

The info about the tubes has available for over a year...go figure!

Imagine, just  for a second that  everything that has come from Steven thru me is all true......now there's a thought!

If I was making this up we would be using yak poo for the core by now Ha!

Im not saying that this is easy..just that we have been told how to make it easier.

I probably sound cynical...Perhaps  it is well understood by some

good hunting!

Lindsay

Lindsay I totally agree that you have been putting some very important info out there directly from SM that seems to be missed/ignored in the swamp of 300 page threads. Thanks for your effort.

For another of SM messages that I feel is important please see
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.0.html

[Mannix]

Moab,
Exactly!

I was not aware that there were others tubing.

The units in the videos are at least ten years further advanced than we will be when we get a form of control.
Sure some luck may play a part and perhaps somebody will get ss working.Of course eventually we will all have ss units. But I think that the tube rack will still be used for initial tuning.

Its like seeing a video of a modern,refined  vehicle and then being shown how a steam engine operates. Frustrating ?..perhaps.

Most of the videos were not produced to show any body. The only exception is the latest one with uec on it. even that was recorded about 10 years ago.

Tubes, or centre mounted circuits is the clear guidance that he has kindly provided.

Lindsay