A different approach, input appreciated

[d3adp00l]

First of all, I don't remember saying whether something would or wouldn't work. I personally like carrots. in the carrot horse thing, I think you went a bit further with that then I intended to lead you.

And how does one keep the frustration equal(no high/low spots) but working in the same direction is exactly the question to be solved.

And motors rototate because of the induced magnet fields being in a frustrated state, and the fields are created by electrical charge moving on a wire.

And I am not trying to annoy anyone, I am just wanting to discuss what I have learned with others who are working on the same thing as I.

It would seem that if there are stationary fields involved in any design then there is a point of lowest frustration available for the magnets to want to rest in. And it would seem that even if you could store the energy from the posistive contribution of motion it would only be enough to equal the energy needed to push the moving assembly through the high point of resistance, and after deducting frictional loses the net result is no rotation.

The question of how to get the direction of the toque the same is linked with how can you get from on side of a plane to the other without going through it or around it. Answer: infinity band, you could travel forever and flip from one side to the other always going in the same direction and never leaving the plane your traveling on.

[Low-Q]

First of all, I don't remember saying whether something would or wouldn't work. I personally like carrots. in the carrot horse thing, I think you went a bit further with that then I intended to lead you.

And how does one keep the frustration equal(no high/low spots) but working in the same direction is exactly the question to be solved.

And motors rototate because of the induced magnet fields being in a frustrated state, and the fields are created by electrical charge moving on a wire.

And I am not trying to annoy anyone, I am just wanting to discuss what I have learned with others who are working on the same thing as I.

It would seem that if there are stationary fields involved in any design then there is a point of lowest frustration available for the magnets to want to rest in. And it would seem that even if you could store the energy from the posistive contribution of motion it would only be enough to equal the energy needed to push the moving assembly through the high point of resistance, and after deducting frictional loses the net result is no rotation.

The question of how to get the direction of the toque the same is linked with how can you get from on side of a plane to the other without going through it or around it. Answer: infinity band, you could travel forever and flip from one side to the other always going in the same direction and never leaving the plane your traveling on.

Just have in mind that a magnets attraction forces are highest where the magnetic lines curves the most. If you have two super strong magnets, 100mm long and 10mm x 10mm thick, magnetized through thickness. Then you push them together with equal poles facing each other, you'll feel the powerful repulsion. Now, turn one of the magnets 90 degrees in plane, still equal poles facing each other. Now try to push them together: No problem at all. The magnetic lines in the middle of a pole does almost do no repulsion because the magnetic fields approach with almost no angle. In a virtually infinite magnet setup, there will in other words be no forces to push or pull anything in the longitudinal direction as the magnetic lines will not find any path back to the opposite pole in the magnet longitudinal direction where the desired magnetic forces should be. To have forces in longitudinal direction, sticky spots in the desired workng direction will be no exception.

If it exist materials which shields the magnetism without be affected by the magnetism, most of the problems with sticky spots should be solved. So far, both magnetic and diamagnetic materials are affected by magnetism, and also affected by sticky spots.

However, the search for free energy continues

Br,

Vidar

[d3adp00l]

Ok Vidar your example is close to what I am describing. The magnets have equal frustration in a single direction, granted it is in a finite linear fashion but that is what is needed. There is no counter force involved with the simple push or pull of two equal magnets. The push and pull it result from the magnets frustration, the magnet "wants to be in the lowest energy state possible and therefore will push or pull in order to do so. The longitutinal point is also important, other than superconductors nothing effectively "shields" magnitism other than distance. One can however contain magnetism which in effect is shielding the field from being an active participant in the system. And the containment can be done with equal and opposite fields. when your two equal magnets finally come in contact with eachother most of the fields result in a net magnetism of near 0.

I also disagree that any magnetic motor would be free energy, it always takes energy to create a magnet and therefore if that magnet does work it wasn't for free. However if a magnetic motor can be made to do work it would be a very efficient system, with almost zero losses unlike all other systems.

[Low-Q]

It will be interesting to se your progress with your idea anyway Let's know when you have made and tested the motor. In the meanwhile I want to simulate the motor in Femm, but only if you can post drawings of your idea first.

Br.

Vidar

[d3adp00l]

I need some gears and my machinist is very good but very very very slow. Anyone know where to get 4 to 7 inch fine pitch high speed gears from?