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Overunity Machines Forum



Simple to make Hilden-Brand style motor

Started by Nali2001, April 13, 2007, 03:40:34 PM

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i_ron

Quote from: Nali2001 on February 03, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Very good work Ron.
Nice detailed report and tests.

Thank you Steven, having seen the detail and craftsmanship displayed in your projects I take that as a sincere compliment.

Next Phase:

The following then can be considered in comparison with the previous experiment where the poles passed as in a rotary machine.

The model shown below is based on yssuraxu's suggestion, based on QM power's page 13 reciprocating model.

To make the comparison on a level playing field I have kept the same bars/coils/voltage in each model. Even the gaps are not too dissimilar, .03 inches in this model and .04 inches in the previous (ball park numbers, in the rotary model I used a two meter long arm so as to avoid the necessary radius on the arms and bar...then kept increasing the gap until they no longer locked together on power up)

But it would seem that this model that pulls a slug into the gap formed by the arms is more powerful... by about 2 1/2 times.

Edit:  possibly closer to two times as in the rotary one edge is pulling one edge but here two edges are pulling two edges

First picture:  overall view with the slug pulled out

Second picture: with slug in gap

Third picture: chart showing pull in force.  Maximum pull is with the slug nearly out of the gap. I made the slug 1 1/4 long which seems to be a bit on the long side. but force ceases at number 9 where the ends of the slug and arms are flush. Slight pull  as the slug is drawn further in at #10

Conclusion:

This model seems to have better performance than the rotary.
The initial pull is 3.2 Kg's as compared with 1.3 Kg's for the rotary

Incidentally, each model has had a closing bar on the left with a .2 mm shim.
A run with just the coils, no magnets yielded a 1.05 Kg's reducing to .41 at the fully inserted mark

Ron








lancaIV

Hello gyula,
no,I can not give the wished answer !
The Ferreira-patent-page was only listed to explain the incompetence to
answer the practical behaviour of the machine in contrast to the known
physical laws/formulas !

We have had a project member split and Mr. Ferreira later built greater machines using the band condensator effect ,
then for the company Envez Lda.:
http://servicosonline.inpi.pt/pesquisas/main/patentes.jsp?lang=PT
click "Entidade" next "continuar" following "Nome" filling with Envez now
click "pesquisa" and see:
PT104491 and PT104492

He is now fixed as soçio to this company Envez Lda.with one contract paragraph:
he can leave the company paying 1.000.000.000 Euros compensation !

Wih my kindest regards
                               CdL

gyulasun


Hello Lanca,

OK I understand. Thank you anyway. 
Hopefully a 'clever' product is to be marketed from all the efforts Envez Lda and Sr Ferreira jointly manifest.

Best Regards, 
Gyula


i_ron

Quote from: scianto on February 13, 2011, 05:21:11 AM
More useful info on running this kind and similar motors:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9713.msg274579#msg274579

Congratulations !!! worth repeating here

Quote:

This example shows, as far as I understand the oscilloscope traces, that
parallel path magnet motor can be run and function very well, when it is powered
with only unidirectional impulses. So, no transistor H bridge or other circuit
producing alternating direction current impulses are needed, as I have thought
till now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxhJlKuZgfA

In this example you can see, that 50% of the cycle the motor winding are pulsed
and the other 50% of the cycle they generate current. What is most important
here is, that the generating current is powering the motor, so it created the
other 50% of the cycle running the motor.

Theoretically it means that half of the power is needed to run the motor
compared with circuits running it with alternating current impulses.

Note it down and use it with other motors. Now we know that DC motors, pulse
motors and even 3 phase induction motors can be run using this kind of powering.

How about rotoverter run like this? I am sure Hector knows the secret :)

Now you can call it tuning and saving as much as possible but still run motors
at that give same amount of power on shaft.