Source of energy, Testatika

[gauschor]

You may be right, I didn't think about that, but it makes sense.

Now that you said it, it might explain why the first small Testatika didn't have segments on the disc, but only "wires" instead of segments: therefore the mechanical energy needed to separate the charges could be equal to the energy required to drive the disc, as the size stayed the same, in comparison to my setup.

I don't understand their setup fully, as they seem to have combined creator+drive segments in one, therefore I thought of an approach where one could clearly see the difference.

[Shanti]

It's the same if the wires have the same dimensions or not. Just like that, a selfrunner is impossible. You need an energy source!


I personally  also do not think at all, that the discs were selfrunners per se. IMHO they are just using two separate circuits to get energy. One circuit is feeding the load the other circuit is used to again drive the wheels. And as the circuits are independent, there's also no direct problem, if you e.g. short the load.
IMHO the driving circuit is made much more complex, for IMHO the driving circuit also charges the wheels up, and also regulates the speed of the wheels.
But one could also guess, that the charging up circuit is an additional independent third circuit...anything is possible...

[gauschor]

After my recently failed experiments I also came to the conclusion, that the electrostatics generated by a device like Toepler or Wimshurst is simply too weak to drive discs like the ones from the Testatika. The disc is still driven by high voltage and the laws of attraction/repulsion, but not by the high voltage produced in a Wimshurst-like way: instead I tend to agree with hcrs that the power to drive the disc is high voltage produced by a common transformers - which means, they took part of their overunity to produce high voltage.

The Hcrs-guys distinguish 2 kinds of voltage: the one within the wire (like water in a pipe under pressure) and the one outside the wire (no pressure, gas-like). The one within the wire (high voltage produced by transformer using a common source) is much stronger compared to the one outside the wire (produced by Wimshurst). This would also apply to the observation from Marinov who claimed that the "drive" of the Testatikas was stronger than the usual electrostatic disc-runners. Also the the short video clip from the Methernita still remains correct, as they only claim that the discs work by the laws of electrostatic attraction or repulsion. And it would apply to the statement, that Baumann always said "this is not a Wimshurst".


Maybe this is relevant too, as it could apply to the copper-perspex-alu plates between the horseshoe magnets: "It is known that if you heat perspex or lucite until soft to the touch, it becomes tacky and you then subject the heated mass to a high voltage field via means of metal plates on each side of the perspex mass and leave it there until the perspex is cool. Removing the applied high voltage charge, an electrostatic high voltage charge may still be continuously taken from those metal plates. Something like this also happens with the electrostatic microphones in modern tape recorders."

Could this be the secret of the Testatika?

These so called "electrets" could at least explain the high voltage from the Linden Experiment (700V) as well as the loud crack-noise produced in the "Testatika principle Experiment" - and the fact, that no one else could replicate these results because they were using simple plexiglass isolators.

And even if this would not be the source of energy somewhere it was mentioned (maybe the Potter article?) if they maybe tapped into the power of a magnet, e.g. like Floyd Sweet which worked on the principle that they oscillated a magnet and thereby got induction effect without any moving parts - multiple kilowatts!
Unfortunately also information about him seems to be sparse...

[mikewatson]

Regarding the Sweet VTA, I met Floyd Sweet at his home in Desert Hot Springs California in the early nineties. He showed me roughly his method for conditioning magnets etc and told me how he had a one of his systems in a car which was being tested by some big car maker. After his death his widow Violet Sweet could find no trace of any system installed in any car or any details of his special  magnet conditioning and concluded that the whole thing was a fabrication/scam and his demos was done with hidden AC sources etc. One of his tricks was to place a ceramic magnet weakly magnetised on the face of a television tube which produced various pretty patterns etc etc. but apart from that meant nothing... I would not waste time on that one..

[gauschor]

After his death his widow could find no trace of any system installed in any car or any details of his special  magnet conditioning and concluded that the whole thing was a fabrication/scam and his demos was done with hidden AC sources etc. One of his tricks was to place a ceramic magnet weakly magnetised on the face of a television tube which produced various pretty patterns etc etc. but apart from that...

This conclusion seems a bit too fast, after all I've read, because of one specific thing: what I've read about the device - the pattern how it behaves - applies to another invention more than 70 years ago: this was the "Magnetstromapparat" by Hans Coler. I've always wondered how this got its kilowatts output power (and dismissed it eventually thinking it was just a superawesome receiver from a radio station), but if Coler has released the power by magnet oscillation then it would suddenly make sense. Also both devices had to be finetuned before getting started and this was the difficult part. Both only required a small input load and afterwards delivered way overunity and usable power.

I would not waste time on that one..

It would definitely be a timewaster and I've not got the appropriate equipment unfortunately. Both Coler and Floyd accidentally stumbled upon this effect it seems. Guess we'd need some luck here too. The oscillated magnets are not the first stop, but reading that Floyds magnets were pulsed with high voltage there is a chance the Testatika also uses this effect.