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HHO for Dummies

Started by kokomoj0, May 04, 2007, 12:25:47 PM

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kokomoj0

HI All!

i have some dumb newbee questions that i hope someone can answer.

There seem to be several different ways to split water into H  and  O.

i am confused as to which methods are the highest producers and most efficiently produce HHO?

So i am looking for help on where i should direct my attentions as it seems senseless for me to reinvent every wheel that did not work in the hopes of figuring out which ones did work.

So from everyones experience on this, which methods or techniques have shown itself to have the greatest potential for 100% or greater efficiency of conversion?

From what i can figure out so far, it looks like the stainless plate stacks and tungsten are on the top of the charts for production efficiency?  Am i right so far?   Which is better between those 2 if i am right?  if not which methods have shown to be the most efficient so far?

My next perplexing question is:  when i watch the stan meyer videos he is bubbling the hho and creating pressure.  Then through a nozzle he shows it heating something.

why doesnt it explode?  isnt he creating hyd and ox mixed together in the form of HHO?  i would have thought that the fire would follow it back to the electrolyser. 

Another thing is....how much HHO production output is required to run a v8 like in the stan video down the road?  I have searched for info on this with no luck.   Has anyone run tests on HHO output for various designs to get an idea what it would take to accomplish this?

Next, how come the stan system stays cold during electrolysis?  Is cold or hot more efficient?


I hope someone will shed some light on this for me.


Tripled


First thing to learn is, Stanley Meyer's system is not based on electrolysis.

Tripled

Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 04, 2007, 12:25:47 PM
HI All!

i have some dumb newbee questions that i hope someone can answer.

There seem to be several different ways to split water into H  and  O.

i am confused as to which methods are the highest producers and most efficiently produce HHO?

So i am looking for help on where i should direct my attentions as it seems senseless for me to reinvent every wheel that did not work in the hopes of figuring out which ones did work.

So from everyones experience on this, which methods or techniques have shown itself to have the greatest potential for 100% or greater efficiency of conversion?

From what i can figure out so far, it looks like the stainless plate stacks and tungsten are on the top of the charts for production efficiency?  Am i right so far?   Which is better between those 2 if i am right?  if not which methods have shown to be the most efficient so far?

My next perplexing question is:  when i watch the stan meyer videos he is bubbling the hho and creating pressure.  Then through a nozzle he shows it heating something.

why doesnt it explode?  isnt he creating hyd and ox mixed together in the form of HHO?  i would have thought that the fire would follow it back to the electrolyser. 

Another thing is....how much HHO production output is required to run a v8 like in the stan video down the road?  I have searched for info on this with no luck.   Has anyone run tests on HHO output for various designs to get an idea what it would take to accomplish this?

Next, how come the stan system stays cold during electrolysis?  Is cold or hot more efficient?


I hope someone will shed some light on this for me.



kokomoj0

Quote from: Tripled on May 04, 2007, 01:37:26 PM

First thing to learn is, Stanley Meyer's system is not based on electrolysis.

Tripled

Kool thanks...   zero point then?

IronHead

Hmmm
I don't see this cell Meyers built running a car or a  go-cart for that matter.
There seems to be so much wow over this cell . I don't see much HHO at all
considering the huge surface area of the 304 stainless  in this cell .
The voltage and amp draw is wonderful  but you would need hundreds of these to run a car. So then what would the voltage and amp draw be? Beside needing a 40 foot trailer to run them down the road with you.
Many of us are producing much more HHO in a much smaller series type system then you see in this Meyers cell.Yes we are doing it at higher voltage and higher amps , what does it matter if the engine can provide it  comfortably.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-476435316795321630&q=stan+meyers&hl=en



This is of course far from the Hydrogen gun or injector that Stanly conceptualized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clafqu0Xw6E&mode=related&search=

I say this because no one has ever seen the injector because it was never built.He died before it was complete. He did build a centralized system the size of a 55gal drum  in which he ran tubes to modified spark plugs and solenoids. There were 2 huge AC motors driven by  the output shafts of the transaxle type transmission in his dunebuggy.

The extremely complex hydrogen gun  was a very good concept  and I believe it to be a working one as I am getting closer to proving that it does and will work.

In  my thread High Voltage HHO you can learn how to produce alot of HHO with
outcome you will see right away . Also you will learn why  which is more important  as you begin to build on with your own ideas having the info needed to do so. It might seem we are reinventing the wheel  but so is GoodYear  ever year.

We are taking information from all cell types  and combining them to find the best and most economical solution , this includes the works of Stanly Meyer.
Meyer's learned from the great  John Worrell Keely.It took him a good part of his life to understand a small part of what Keely was talking about.

So if you think a page of drawings and info can bring you to the understanding of how to build such a thing . think again This stuff takes time as it  is something that we did not learn all of our lives ,like how to build a wheel which we did learn all of our lives as it is infront of us every day.

Thank you
IronHead

kokomoj0

yes i am finding it very difficult to muttle my way through all the different processes and techniques, deciding on my own which were good, bad, or indifferent.

My biggest problem is lack of background as in how much gas is required to run a v8 engine.  How much gas are these systems that you all are building putting out now?  They look impressive, and frankly the way your tungsten caame to life blew me away.  unforunately i am stumped by the problem of how much is being made now with which system, how much is needed, and what happens if the engine backfires.

So i am doing my best to play catch up here and basically am interested in being put on to good data as a starting point.  i was not trying to insinuate anyonw here was re-inventing the wheel, i was pointing out how little knowledge i personally have on the subject and it was directed solely at me not you or anyone here.

That is why i am asking for good resoanbly credible references as a start based on exactly what you said, "you are putting out much more than stanley".  See i have no way to know that so i kmay have built the stanley device and totally wasted my timel, that is why i am asking these questions.

thanks again!
kkj