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Multi-Fuels Processor (by Paul Pantone)

Started by sulake, May 06, 2007, 12:54:10 PM

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pese

No that is not Pantone.
Als some US Gays have found.
water + gasoline + "used Motor-oils
(but mor than 40 % water ininit will work very propper.
University cologne (gernany) find that diesel also gasoline motors
wil work this addition up to 60% Water very propper.

Ome german Manufacture have ean device to mix Water fpr Ship- (vessels) motors to the siesel
directly befor the pressure pump.
In WW2 the gerna habe used diectly assitin 30% water in carburator from STUKKA Fligher, and so
turned uf the power more than 50% !! 

SAAB Cares have used an Watervatorizer added to Carburator (as Option) for an "Serie-Car. But withouut any publicity , that comse from an german invention, shown 1966 on IAA
(intern. auto exposition Germany)  , but Car Industry will not have this, because ...
to sell energy is an buisiness ...

So it give many was to use wather WITH ENERGY
Pese
,

use also www.translate.ru

for possibly better translations for the above german links


(Olso i rember, an SAAB 2000ccm Car was tasted in Hermany , that was 140 PS (HP) with Water,vapor and 100 PS without Water adding, to gaso?ine-carburator
It was using  2ltrs Water for 500km (additional to the gasoline.
This Tests was not given out to the "pubicity" and "so" you cant find this
information.

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sulake

Very interesting indeed! It is well known that when turbo charging , a water spray will increase the power by cooling the intake air and bind more oxygen. This has been even mentioned in a Finnish car tuning magazine one time. But, it said that it will increase power only with high boost pressures.
Pese, do you have any documents/info more accurate about how and when the water is injected/sprayed/mixed to the fuel?

I was thinking about the water spraying in turbocharged machines and the Mayer direct conversion injector...
Would the water be user more efficiently, if it was broken into smaller parts? This could be done using ultrasound. This method is used in a mist pump and in Fog screen.
Mist pump: http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html
      http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif
Fog screen: http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg

These mist pumps are sold separately too, so no need to ââ,¬Å"reverse engineerââ,¬Â those mist lamps.
Could this mist be more easy to convert to HHO by blowing it through high voltage metal plates?
Or could it be used directly in a gasoline engine to feed mist to air intake?


pese

Quote from: sulake on April 09, 2008, 04:57:28 AM
Very interesting indeed! It is well known that when turbo charging , a water spray will increase the power by cooling the intake air and bind more oxygen. This has been even mentioned in a Finnish car tuning magazine one time. But, it said that it will increase power only with high boost pressures.
Pese, do you have any documents/info more accurate about how and when the water is injected/sprayed/mixed to the fuel?

I was thinking about the water spraying in turbocharged machines and the Mayer direct conversion injector...
Would the water be user more efficiently, if it was broken into smaller parts? This could be done using ultrasound. This method is used in a mist pump and in Fog screen.
Mist pump: http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html
      http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif
Fog screen: http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg

These mist pumps are sold separately too, so no need to ?reverse engineer? those mist lamps.
Could this mist be more easy to convert to HHO by blowing it through high voltage metal plates?
Or could it be used directly in a gasoline engine to feed mist to air intake?


hey
Saab have done this with steam (vapor)

10.000 of this cars was on the streets driving (5 years that was selled (on option with water) 

i do myself 1961 same with my 1200ccm Ford 34 PS.
But i was in technican school and i done this because i found some
lection in an car jurnal. so that any car drive faster and is stronger
if the weather have more water in the air.
(with god explaning this, that i can revolve in english.
I have only test some ways to mix.
also i can make in anytime gazoline/water  , oil / watter. Paraffin/ water mixings that stand "stabile for hours.  Only to think and paly , and all it can be found.


From the 2000ccm SAAB protyp. i have the contact with the testdriver, that hav give this information for the
199 / 140 HP Car !!!

So the powewr will increased
the vapar was injected after (t) the carburator !!
Like ena gaz / gasoline construction that allow both conditions.


The "WW2 "Fighter was Water Injected additionalle IN THE carburator.

(Motor can hold this power only for some minutes
(to much power)

Pese
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@sulake
u meant to blow the water mist between high voltage plates?I think if it will have any discharges there it will first produce the HHO then it will blow it up instanteously.I can imagine a torch working like this.However it would be a nice try to have just enough voltage not to start the spark but to produce the HHO.One backdraw i see is a low concentration of ions to conduct electricity through the water and to perform electrolysis.I can be wrong though.Somone would have to try this out as this fog toys are inexpensive to obtain  ;D.

Second question about using ultrasonic to feed your car.I thought about it also before,but i wanted to inject like 2-4% of total mass of air going to the engine by water mist.It is a big amount of water and those small ultrasonic toys just are not capable of it i guess (was it like 150 ml water per h,no? ).
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