New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

[LarryC]

Look what I found...an old school horizontal gravity wheel
Just flip it vertical, then add some weights and guides. Check out the simple mechanics. Could this be modified into a "Bob" design? Maybe use a "snail cam" in the center??

Nice info yaz! I've been looking for a way to turn the captured CF sling force into rotational increase and this may help.

Thanks, Larry

[AB Hammer]

Greetings yaz

Thanks for posting, and I can remember playing on that type of toy when I was very young.

[LarryC]

Edited out, for Bobs sake I changed my mind about what I was going to write here. Some may have already seen it.

Actually Ralph, I had seen your very interesting post earlier but was still in my development time and it would take some data collection to properly answer your questions.

For Bob's sake! I also feel that way. But what I don't want to see is Bob's mysteries death or being nation security suppressed as so many other great OU inventors. Bob has the patent pending protection, If his unit was replicated around the world then his threat level and suppresion decreases to almost zero.

My unit, if I get it to work will not last long as will other replications of Bob's design. It will take a lot of engineering and premium materials to have a steady runner. It is only a proof of  Bob's design.

So just from what I recall of your post:

The springs are latched. He starts the machine with both set of springs latched to allow the machine to get up to minimum running speed. The weight boxes due to the sling outward, hit the edge at a much higher force than the static CF force that maintain the rotor in position. If you don't lock the springs they will throw the rotating unit back and cause a dreaded roller smash. I've seen it and got the smashed roller supports to prove it.

The first 4" of lift is done with the springs and the cam over 45 degrees spin. This is easily done because the springs when released help lift the weight boxes up. The next 8"+ over 30 degrees spin is done with a actuator arm (6/36 lever) and his supercharger. I believe the supercharger is based on the compressed air saved during the CF sling force capture at center using some type of bellow shock. Then, If you have a air jack it could follow up the lift arm with little psi but could be fully released for the 8"+ and supercharge the second lift. I'm sure there are many other methods that would accomplish the same lift.

The cam follower has a roller at 2.5" from pivot center and at 10" past is connected to a 24" lifting arm to the weight box (per Bob). When the 2.5" roller is lifted .8" than the 10" past is lifted 4". So it only requires 1.6"+ lift on the 2.5" roller to get the 8"+ using the 6/36 lever and the air jack.

Regards, Larry
       

 

[yaz]

Hi everyone. Glad to help. I also found a site that has different mechanical animations. It really helps to see how a cam actually works, in real life.
This is the page with different cam designs. If Bob said he used a cam then it has to be something borrowed from there.

http://www.technologystudent.com/cams/camdex.htm

The index at the top of the page takes you to other mechanical animations. Hope this cuts down on some design time.

[rlortie]

LarryC,

you wrote: For Bob's sake! I also feel that way. But what I don't want to see is Bob's mysteries death or being nation security suppressed as so many other great OU inventors. Bob has the patent pending protection, If his unit was replicated around the world then his threat level and suppresion decreases to almost zero.


You say he already has the patent pending protection, if so then what is the hang up?  why can we not access it?  If Bob has it, he should be shouting it from every roof top and forum page. Get it on PESwiki and Alternate Energy News. If he doesn't then, yes he is taking a chance of possibly shortening his life span. The percentage of that span will be directly proportional to the efficiency of his machine.   

So just from what I recall of your post:

The springs are latched. He starts the machine with both set of springs latched to allow the machine to get up to minimum running speed. The weight boxes due to the sling outward, hit the edge at a much higher force than the static CF force that maintain the rotor in position. .

I am sorry but this is not my description, you have me confused with someone else. My version has no mention of springs being latched. True the machine must be preloaded to start, true the weight boxes are  forced outwards at a higher force than achieved by CF alone.

If you don't lock the springs they will throw the rotating unit back and cause a dreaded roller smash. I've seen it and got the smashed roller supports to prove it.

At this time unless I build it, I see no need to lock the weights or springs as once 'out' CF will hold it there until it is time to cycle. But then again If I build I will not be using a cam and levers.   

Due to certain parties alleged to be in direct working contact with Bob, (and I lean heavy on the term "Alleged") I have taken the incentive to divulge myself with what is known of Bob's machine. I  feel that I have grasped the concept and  can improve upon a second generation of his design.

I also feel that I have uncovered some obvious discrepancy in the video of Bob unscrewing a disc brake pad to manually start the pre-set machine. A minor concern is the number of turns he applies to the crank, count them!  Ask yourself, how far must an automotive disk brake travel to either stop or free a wheel. I am not talking about a caliper brake as found on a bicycle here.     

I do not know if you have personal contact with bob and/or what he has told you in confidence,  I have a problem believing your present course is the correct one or should I say; the way Bob's wheel allegedly works.

What I have conceived from knowledge at hand could be detrimental to Bob if I were to post it at this point. when I am confident that he has a patent application number in hand, then I will speak more freely and post the excerpt  that I previously edited out. 

In the meantime I am attempting to make first and third party contact with him so that a caucus type exchange can bring us to a mutual understanding. In the meantime I do not wish to upset his apple cart!  If I do not get an answer within a reasonable time I will go forth on my own accord.  I am not looking forward to this approach  but if Bob refuses to move forward then I see no alternative. If his machine is truly a runner then he is already in possible jeopardy.   

My research has lead me to a compiled list of manufactures and distributors for everything required to build a facsimile of his machine as seen in the side view photo. We can all free source our own machine once the patent drawings become available. The current drawing found on his web page is not what I have in mind. 

Ralph Lortie