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New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

Started by hartiberlin, May 11, 2007, 12:49:03 AM

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fernando

Quote from: fernando on January 10, 2008, 05:40:49 PM
Hi all again,

I think that I have devised what Bob means. The idea of having two weights rotating or giving extra force, as just posed, is wrong. if weight A is at one end of the pendulum and B is attached to it, but at the center of rotation, when A rotates 180 degrees, B is rotating at the center of the axis, so to speak at a point of radius 0 or the center of the circle, so it does not add any weight and therefore does not give any energy to accelerate with gravity plus centrifugal force.

In order to give you an idea of what I once devised with reciprocating pulleys of two masses, I understand what Bob has done.

Imagine two parallel shifts, rods, bars or any kind of means that work as a pendulum. Both of them rotate in parallel. One of them is tied to the axis where it will delever the energy.

The second parallel shift or pendulum has attached two weights (A and B) of the same amount of weight or mass, and travel along the parallel pendulum back and forth. Both weights, since the are attached to each other move in sincrony along the radius of the circle,  they have a distance to travel which is exactly the distance between the axis, or the center of the circle and the end of the pendulum, that is, the radius of the circle.

In order to prevent mass A at 6:00 to break the end point, he has placed a spring there plus a stop end, where it will bounce back and get some backward energy to send A to the center. The rest of the system may be pneumatic or managed with springs tied to the center or anywhere else, in order to make mass A travel to the center of the circle at 6:00. Since mass B is attached with a fixed element, rod, shaft or whatever, it travels to 12:00 exactly after A has striked 6:00 when it receives the energy gained by A.

If that happens between 6:00, 6:02, 6:05 or 6:15 does not matter, the machine will make mass B position itself at 12:02, 12:05, or 12:15.

At that point, A becomes powerless at the center of the circle, while B becomes potentially powerfull gaining speed from gravity since it will travel to 6:00 and the cycle starts once again. Obviously, all this needs calculation of the force of springs, shock absorbers or whatever means he uses. Obviously, levers, trigers and other trinkets help B remaining at 12:00 at the end of the pendulum and A at the center of the circle. Otherwise it would not work.

Bob, not being a formal engineer, probably has arrived to it though trial and error, without calculations that would have saved him time and frustration.The bigger the mass and the longer the pendulum, the more power it will deliver. Obviously, there is friction in the machine and material wear through its functioning, but, if it works reasonably well, why not?. The longer it goes, the more energy it will deliver. Moreover, the slower it goes, the longer it will work before needing any maintenance, oiling of moving and frictioning parts and any susbtitution of worn parts, presumably the shock absorbers, levers and supporting points, not to count any of the moving belts he has installed.

On his benefit, the machine is simple, needs little to maintain it and you can make it bigger and put many in line to work on parallel to produce even megawatts, and what is more important, at a very little cost of manufacturing. It is a mechanical machine and quite simple, but very ingenious.

Now, what we need is Bob showing exactly how he moves his generator for a long time, without stops, maintenance or failure for a reasonable time.

lets hope this happens soon.

So far, what he says is the trick, the two attached masses, is right and it can work.

I am already thinking on how to try to replicate what he says.


On what Bessler007 has posted, he is right, the amount of energy needed to make B go from the center to 12:00 and A from 6:00 to the center is obviously double amount of weight, but...  A has bounced a little at 6:00, depending on the force of the spring that stops its natural travel out of the circle, but.. the amount of energy athat A has gained at 6:00 its 4 or more times its weight, so there is enough energy to collect to send 2 equal masses back to the starting point.



helmut


helmut


fernando

I admit that I was worried when the page of Bob simply disappeared from the server for three or four days.

What he tells us is part of what is obvious, the amount of torque that he says it produces (1500 pounds), assuming a certaint point over sea level can indicate us approximately the amount of weight he is using, and assuming also, that the length of the radius of the device that he has disclosed is exact.

What is worrying is the delays in the results. I insist on what I said earlier, not being an engineer, Bob is using his imagination plus a lot of trial and error method in his procedure. The other worrying point is the amount of friction points in the device that will require a certain amount of maintenance that will reduce its cost effectiveness ratio.

In this case, maths can be defeated if what I assume, and Bob says, is that part of the energy gained is used to make the weights bounce back, otherwise, the device couldn't work.



Lets hope the best and wait for the first results in time of operation and output.

helmut

@P-Motion
I have no Idea,what Bob is able or willing to disclose.
But it makes sence to me,that he will first learn on his own mashine,what are the border marks on the design.
Perhaps he feels responsible for the Security of rebuilders.There is no sales and buisness aspekt according
to his mashine on the web page.
He might feel not save ,because of the Reaction that might came from "big ernergy mafia".

I will write to him ones more and ask,how we can help or support him.

If he would show a vid,that demonstrate the working mashine,i would buy plans as soon as possible and
many others to.
So either we wait,or we make it working with our own Ideas.

helmut