Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..

[yorkshireminer]

First of all let me say that I don't think that there is such a thing as a perpetual motion machine and never have been. I think we just don't understand the principles at work and we get confused with the terminology. Let me give a few examples to explain what I mean. If I have a heat pump that is 400% efficient I put 100watts of heat equivalent energy in I get 400Watts of heat out, that seems to contradict the laws of the conservation of energy, but it doesn't, the 100 watt motor used to drive the machine will never be more than 100% efficient the extra heat at the output has been transferred from somewhere else. Science understands the principles we don't look on it as a miracle. Now let us take another example which seems to contradict the laws of the conservation of energy, and produces more heat than is put in. Please check out the first part of this video before you read further. The problem with this machine is that we don't understand the principles which causes the excess heat. That being so, it gets dismissed by the science community as over unity perpetual motion and I don't know what. Here is the link.


http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044&q=Equinox&total=973&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The problem with this machine is that the so called hicks from the sticks are building the machine and selling it. IT WORKS so where does the excess energy come from. I have my own ideas but they are irrelevant to this discussion.

Let us go further, into the so called light fantastic, google Perendev  Beddini Searl Hollingsworth. Searls and Hollingsworths claims seem  especially  fantastic, but are they, might it not be that we just don't understand where the excess energy is coming from. Have they discovered a way of transferring energy from the Dirac sea, Zero point energy, or perhaps from the inertia in a body I don't know and neither do the scientist. I for one do not want to keep business out. I want it well and truly in, only with marketable systems that work, that seem to defy the conservation of energy laws will the scientific community have to come down from their ivory towers and start to think and try and understand how the thing works.

Deep Regards

Yorkshire Miner 

[Omnibus]

@yorkshireminer,

The example with the heat pump is irrelevant. The heat pump is not a perpetuum mobile. Carry out the cycle in the reverse and the gain will be exactly compensated. The source of the seeming excess energy is well known.

On the other hand, genuine excess energy, violating the principle of conservation of energy, is produced by SMOT beyond doubt. It has already been discussed extensively here and in other places so I won?t get into details. The excess energy produced by SMOT has no source, it comes from nothing. SMOT produces excess energy discontinuously, a portion at a time after the completion of each cycle.

Unfortunately, so far no one has demonstrated continuous production of excess heat which, as I mentioned, would have the social impact we seek. Torbay, Perendev etc. motors were promising but business and other ill-conceived interests prevented them from being legitimized in society. These inventors really hurt themselves and society at large by the inadequacy of their approach. Even Finsrud whom I visited personally and who has the best example so far of a perpetuum mobile on public display is not forthcoming enough to really settle once and for all whether or not continuous production of excess energy is achieved. Hope this will not be the case with Steorn.

[yorkshireminer]

Dear Omnibus
you state so in your last comment

(The example with the heat pump is irrelevant. The heat pump is not a perpetuum mobile. Carry out the cycle in the reverse and the gain will be exactly compensated. The source of the seeming excess energy is well known.)

Please tell me what you are arguing about, I know it is not a perpetuum mobile. I never said that it was, in fact I stated the opposite . Now please tell me where the extra heat/energy is coming from, in the Jim Grigg's machine in the video? The scientists don't know, and I certainly don't know. Now where in God's name is it being transferred from?

I gave the others as a more extreme form Searl's and Hollingsworth's discoveries are even more far out ,  even a science fiction writer would have difficulty believing them, but Searl's claims that his generator has an antigravity effect seem to have been verified in Russia a few years ago. Searl has now got a new team together and is replicating his old machines. I am very skeptical but the part of his new machine that they have built seems to be working the way he predicted. You can see the test on Utube, check it out.

I will state it once again I don't think that there is such a thing a perpetual motion. I just think that we don't know where the extra energy is coming from. If you get more energy out than you put in then it is over unity, not perpetual motion, the Griggs machine certainly is. The question is can we feed that extra energy back into the machine, close the loop, and get the machine to run continually. I think it might be possible, this is what Steorn is claiming. It would look like perpetual motion but it wouldn't be. We just don't know the source of the extra energy.


Deep Regards

Yorkshire Miner       

[Dingus Mungus]

Dear Omnibus
you state so in your last comment

(The example with the heat pump is irrelevant. The heat pump is not a perpetuum mobile. Carry out the cycle in the reverse and the gain will be exactly compensated. The source of the seeming excess energy is well known.)

Please tell me what you are arguing about, I know it is not a perpetuum mobile. I never said that it was, in fact I stated the opposite . Now please tell me where the extra heat/energy is coming from, in the Jim Grigg's machine in the video? The scientists don't know, and I certainly don't know. Now where in God's name is it being transferred from?

I gave the others as a more extreme form Searl's and Hollingsworth's discoveries are even more far out ,  even a science fiction writer would have difficulty believing them, but Searl's claims that his generator has an antigravity effect seem to have been verified in Russia a few years ago. Searl has now got a new team together and is replicating his old machines. I am very skeptical but the part of his new machine that they have built seems to be working the way he predicted. You can see the test on Utube, check it out.

I will state it once again I don't think that there is such a thing a perpetual motion. I just think that we don't know where the extra energy is coming from. If you get more energy out than you put in then it is over unity, not perpetual motion, the Griggs machine certainly is. The question is can we feed that extra energy back into the machine, close the loop, and get the machine to run continually. I think it might be possible, this is what Steorn is claiming. It would look like perpetual motion but it wouldn't be. We just don't know the source of the extra energy. 

I think you guys are arguing definitions and semantics...
Your heat pump is overunity in the fact that it produces a CoP > 1.
Now if that was electricity and not heat you would have a perpetual motion machine.
Thats what you are both saying, yet you both say it so differently you have to debate terms.
Simply put yes the energy is taken from somewhere, but when you are tapping something that exists everywhere at once (the aether) then its a universally open well of energy.

So again its not energy from nothing, but more a energy transference we're not yet familiar with.

~Dingus Mungus

[Omnibus]

On the contrary, I'm arguing that SMOT produces energy from nothing. Except for electrolysis in an undivided cell, this is the only other example of a device categorically proven to produce energy from nothing and thus violating the principle of conservation of energy.