Chas Campbell free power motor

[Dingus Mungus]

My assumption is he's depositing large ammounts of energy in to a flywheel and then the excess amperage would be coming from slowing down the flywheel. This is why I want the Killawatt meters to be used. So we can track by exact RMS wattage and power factor, and compare ALL input to ALL output. No time sampled multimeter will help disprove my theory. I've already offered to pay for the required meters. Now its just time to sit back and wait for evidence or the complete lack thereof.

I hope you plan to measure ALL the power consumed when spinning up that huge flywheel. How much does that thing weigh I wonder... I bet all the weight is out on the edge too. I just hope you take complete measurements before you claim OU on this device. I see some analog panel meters... I did offer to assist with propper Wh meters, but for some reason his input/output is measured real time samples only.



If I spin a 100 kilo flywheel up to 10,000 rpm, then I could shut off the motor and extract quite a lot of power while it slowed down. Flywheels store energy just like a leaky cap. You need to make sure you take a propper measurement of all input and all output collectively! Anything less is inconclusive.

~Dingus Mungus

Reposted @ Humbugger
You're preaching to the chior here...

I'm just saying slow your roll. Work on some of this stuff first, explain some stuff, tell people about your ideas... Then when a joker pops up tear him up once or twice and wait. This is giving them the proverbial noose rope, then when they pull a mahess or VANDUGEGS, you'd be helping out not distracting. Chas is in the phase where we're watching and waiting, with site engineers attempting to gain access to measure the claims. Spamming 3 pages with "it doesn't work" or "it can't work" before we get these numbers is silly and makes us all look bad... We do have a procedure that we follow for this, but you're just ranting the most obvious points in the mean time.

~Dingus Mungus

[Humbugger]

Yes, I noticed your enlightened posts there and even mentioned in my own tirade about proper energy measurement that you were the only voice of reason I had heard in regard to that subject.

I didn't want to reply by quoting huge posts again, but you said "The trick is knowing we only know what we've actually experimented with the rest is assumed in most cases."

I agree in the sense of affirmation of new working systems or concepts.  I heartily disagree when it comes to rejecting re-hashed thinly-veiled bogus ideas that have been tried and shown not to work and previously rejected.  It seems a huge portion of the replication efforts I read about here fall into that category. 

We don't need to experiment to know that a huge number of the machines posed on this site will never work because we can recognize that they are no different in principal or practice from systems that have been built, tested and proven worthless and discarded, often for hundreds of years.  I'm sure this is no news to you. 


The thing is, there are a huge number of participants who are not as good as we are at seeing the old dead concept in the new sheeps clothing.  There are many who just have no idea what they are doing at all, and few who admit it.  Most folks here, it seems, don't boil these proposals down and think about the principals and make analogies and mentally discover "Hey, that's essentially the same as that other thing that failed miserably".

Oh, well...the world is full of people spending their lives justifying their favorite habitual delusions, be it in religion, politics, economics, love or "energy hobbies".

I wanted to say science there, but just couldn't.  Science is in good part the art of disproving delusions.

I appreciate your good advice and I'll let you know if I decide to start building anything with manic enthusiasm.  Don't hold your breath, though.  I'm kind of enjoying being "a skeptical goon".

[Dingus Mungus]

Well I'll just have to warn you, only those with research and experiments are taken seriously here. Delusional or not... Joe Newman is a great example; hes obviously a little delusional, but his technology shows promise none the less. So we will listen to him not to hear about how god gave him the technology, but about how it works so we can experiment with the technology.

Your services as a humbugger will be treated as distraction or mere formality that comes with this kind of research, but your active experimenting in a field of your choice coupled to a keen sense of skepticism will be much more readily embraced.

So in closing, lets lower the useless chatter in the threads. No ones going to stop working on something because you say so. Thats a even sillier delusion to beleive... It's time now to wait for Ash or Mark to come back with some hard numbers, and you better believe I'll be here, with you, throwing a fit if power over time isn't propperly refrenced in the measurements. Hell I offered to purchase the meters for Chas to speed up the process.

~Dingus Mungus

P.S. You gotta have a little more faith in the regular members around here. We're patient not stupid, and we look at everything even if we've seen something similar before.

[hartiberlin]

@Humbugger,
please slow down and have patience !
You asked for a working device , so just visit the Alabama Fire station department,
if you don?t belive in the Griggs machine and take a shower there in the
Grigg?s pump heated water with 150 % efficiency.
Ask the fire department officer about their electricity bills and they will
confirm it that they pay less now to heat their water.


Anyway, please all stay ontopic now here.
I just sent Chas a reminder email now, that he hopefully
will soon let Ashtweth come to his place and take videos
and new measurements.

Until then we should just wait and see or other people
should apply too to visit Chas and take videos of the machine.

Regards, Stefan.

[Humbugger]

OK fellows,

point taken...I should ease up...not fill others' threads with long tirades all night...ok...ok...ok.  I get it.  Right or wrong, I should be less rude and space-hoggish about it.  I see...newbie error.  Please forgive me.

@Stefan:  Do you find it at all odd that Griggs is now out of the company and Hydro Dynamics Inc. is only selling very specialized industrial units with no OU claims whatsoever?  Do you suppose this is resulting from suppression or is the machine not really all that the first few tests by the OU community cracked it up to be?  You would think they would shout from the rooftops if it was the only OU water heater in the world!  And sell them into all possible application areas.  Can't buy one to heat hot water at home or at the office or Fire Station, for that matter...only specialized industrial plant process heaters.  No efficiency numbers even discussed.  Makes me wonder...

Humbugger