Chas Campbell free power motor

[Humbugger]

Sorry, Iosh, if I seemed to exaggerate your conclusions.  I take it you agree then?  No conclusions can be scientifically made until all assumptions are clarified and errors eliminated?  And they have not yet even been presented, much less scrutinized.  Am I wrong?

Even if the big assumption of equal input and output voltages is true, and if we accept a 6A input current and 10A "output current" measurement, there cannot be any conclusion of overunity without considering the load phase angle and the pulsed/vs/steady-state operation duty cycle.  You can read all the reasons for this right here in this thread. 

That is why even your basic conclusion statement: "Well, so from your explanation Chas' machine does achieve 166% efficiency when putting in 800W." is not logical; it does not follow.  166% efficiency could only be concluded if we knew several more facts than are presented (even as assumptions) in Stefan's report.  That's why I included yours in my list of premature and unscientific conclusions.

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[hartiberlin]

I just tried to reach Ash again,
but he was not at home and his mobile phone is only
on answering machine mode.

He told me yeasterday, that they did take full videos
of all the things they saw and that he will soon post an indeepth
report about all of it with videos etc...
So I guess stay tuned and don?t
try to make conclusion up yet, until he will come again to over here
and report fully what he saw.

Regards, Stefan.

[Humbugger]

I just tried to reach Ash again,
but he was not at home and his mobile phone is only
on answering machine mode.

He told me yeasterday, that they did take full videos
of all the things they saw and that he will soon post an indeepth
report about all of it with videos etc...
So I guess stay tuned and don?t
try to make conclusion up yet, until he will come again to over here
and report fully what he saw.

Regards, Stefan.

I totally agree and thank you for making your position very clear that you, also, are taking a scientific approach and awating the complete data prior to making any conclusions regarding success or failure to demonstrate OU.  I am very interested to see and hear what Charles and Ashtweth have to report.

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[helmut]

Hi Ashtweth

Perhaps you can find a Network Line there to establish a online Connection via ICQ

helmut

I know,what i had in mind, by asking for a lifeconnection.

Hopefully noting bad happend to them.

helmut

[hartiberlin]

Okay, I just now spoke again with Ash on his mobile phone
and now the connection was much better.

He told me, that the big like Bessler wheel and the multiple
flywheel device are 2 different devices.
In the last video posted they were only hooked together just for a show.

But when the Bessler like wheel should run on its own, it does
not yet now, as it was built from too cheap parts, so this
oscillates too much and gets to a stop.
But Chas has disclosed all details to Ash and Andrew from
panacea-bocaf.org and they also have it all on video.

Chas also wants us to replicate his Bessler like wheel, so
we can try to get it to run with better parts.

Now to the device which was first in the Australian TV news,
his multiple flywheel system.

Ash said, it is powered by a crappy 240 Volts AC drive motor, which already draws
about 200 Watts of input power, when nothing is connected to this motor,
so this drive motor already has huge losses itsself and is not very efficient.
Now this drive motor powers this chain of flywheels via gears or pullies
and then at the end of the chain a 240 Volts AC inverter is hooked up.
Now when the drive motor has to power all the flywheels and the alternator
it has an input current of about 6 amps, which means the input power
is about 1440 Watts . (Power factor cos phi not calculated in...)
When Ash connected 2 x 500 Watts halogen bulbs this drove the flywheel
setup down in RPM and the system became unstable, so they
were only able to do this for about 10 seconds.
This seemed to be too much load on the alternator...

Then they used for instance a hacksaw and some drill as the load
on the alternator, which of course have motors in them
which drew more input current at the start and they did this like
3 seconds on and 3 seconds off, so the duty cycle was about 50 : 50.
At this intervalling they could draw 10 amps pulses for 3 seconds from the alternator,
which did not bog down the alternator...and the drive motor stayed always at
6 amps at 240 Volts input.

But this is calculated in with the duty cycle 50:50 also only:
240 Volts x 10 amps= 2400 Watts / 2 = 1200 Watts of output power..
So the input power is still more than the output power...

But Ash said, Chas did disclose all the gear ratios and
setup things, so nothing was hidden and they were very thankful to him.

Also they have a new apointment to test this system with their own
RV motor setup as the drive motor and then they will really see,
how good this system works...

So when this crappy drive motor is still used, nothing can be
said in this moment conclusively...

Also we should wait until we will see the video they are just editing
and putting together now.

Ash said this Bessler wheel thing looks very amazing and
convincing and we should really wait, until we see his video !

So I have to thank Ash and Chas again for the openess and
giving full disclosure.

Regards, Stefan.