Successful TPU-ECD replication !

[dutchy1966]

Hi Rich,Dave, everyone


I like to say some things about the battle that's going on here the last few days between believers and non-believers of the ECD.
Personally I think I'm one of the few that can actually see both viewpoints.

If we look at Jason's setup and the odd readings on the PS meters, we can clearly say that we don't know what the power consumption from the PS is.....
If one says it goes up to 60volts at 3 amps that doesn't mean anyhting. At the max that would put out 180 watts as Dave suggests, but then again we don't know if it did or not!!
We also know that digital meters are not reliable at higher frequencies.....

So, I would say that neither camp, at the moment, has any real idea of what the consumed power is.....
My suggestion is to use a Power (Watt) meter in the wall socket that feeds the PS. That way we can at least see how much power is drawn from the grid. If that is lower than the 40 watts of the bulb...congratulations!
If it's more than 40 watts it doesn't mean there isn't any conversions from an unknown source taking place.....it might just be that the process isn't efficient. In this case we either need to reduce input power below 40 watts OR increase output power. (open the gate further).

At this point the setup has some signs of possible FE but it's too early to say either way.
I guess when Jason can do another batch of tests after the weekend we know alot more.....

regards

Robert  

[gn0stik]

does anyone have a kill-a-watt meter like this?

that would be a great test.

[dutchy1966]

does anyone have a kill-a-watt meter like this?

that would be a great test.

The other option is to use use multimeters on the input side of the PS to determine consumed grid power (far away from the ecd/tpu)

Robert

[z_p_e]

The burden of proof never lies in the hands of the skeptic or the one asking reasonable questions. It lies squarely in the hands of those making the claims.

However, there is a slightly grey area here, and that is the question of what is considered solid evidence?

If the claimer has provided solid evidence, from testing that was conducted fairly, objectively, flawlessly, and unbiased, then it is hard to question that.

The problem with the tests and evidence presented here so far, is it falls short of these requirements. Granted, many if not most of the testers may not be qualified electronics test people, but there are many suggestions being made here to try and help out in this respect.

First things first, slow down guys, and remove the mobius loop! If the device still puts out the same power, then this speaks for itself. That is the most obvious thing to change if you want to prove the device does what you believe it does. It has been brought to your attention, take the 30 seconds required, and try it.

Darren

[gn0stik]

Fine, I'll bring it up next meeting, if I attend.

I think I may be taking a break to slow down a bit. I'm getting way too bugged up, over stuff that should not bother me. I'm aware of this, and working on it. Perhaps a yoga class or TM is in order. Maybe if I figure out how to fit the universe in my belly button, this all won't seem like a big deal to me.

I just wish the people giving the suggestions (very good ones mostly), would help out.

Some of you guys are capable of testing faster than it takes you to post your test request. And if you have the equipment, and we dont, then we just have to spend more money to do it.

That's a good idea though ZPE. Perhaps someone in the beginning phase of a TPU build can do that one, before they slip thier controls on the ring.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I need a break.

Sorry for offending anyone if I have.

@dutchy, even better.

Rich