Successful TPU-ECD replication !

[eldarion]

ok so basicly we need to get this thing to run on something like a car battery and take some of the output and feed it back thrue a voltage regulator circuit which will furnish the power to the control circuit.

then as the system is energized from the car battery, we can disconnect it and if it keeps running, it would awnser alot of questions going round at the moment.

we can also switch in diodes to prevent the power from flowing back into the driving circuit.

Marco.

That is exactly what needs to be done!   Once you do that, you will have (nearly*) indisputable proof that the device is overunity!

*I say nearly because certain people would try to say local EM fields are powering the device, etc.  But, with the device completely self-contained, you could pick it up and move it to the desert and see if it still works...

[Hoppy]

Things are now at last sounding much more optimistic with the general realsiation and agreement that the battery power supply, RF filter and blocking diode are essential components of the TPU test setup.

Let proper testing commence.

[z_p_e]

A question to Otto:

I noticed your mobius coil actually seems to exhibit two mobius twists. My understanding of a mobius coil only uses one twist as per the Davis patent below.

Wouldn't two twists bring things back in phase again, thus defeating the original intent?

Regards,
Darren

[Bruce_TPU]

@ ZPE
Otto has answered that question on my thread.  It is indeed a double Mobius.  Single will not work.  No Mobius will not work.  There has to be a mobius to disable the flux.  SM said that the flux is disabled in his device and this allows the electrons to float free.  Sounds bizarre?  Sure, but such is the beasty we are working on.  SM also refers many times to the right "circuit potential", short pieces of wire and 3 frequencies to produce power. 

As I have stated, there are two other ways I have found that will do the same as the mobius (in theory) and I will share those shortly, after we have been experimenting with this collector setup long enough to get some good data anyway.

Thank you for you time,
Bruce

[Mannix]

KJ,

Thank you for the contribution....your info is correct,consise, and useful..Just not yet...
That is what you and others  fail to see. There are no claims..it is a timing thing..you are just a bit early.
Hang back...no rush..be patient..watch.

Here is MY claim

I claim that "a conversion process had been documented for you with enough information for most people to build it.. and you might find it interesting ...but only if you build it"

Now ,,,build or watch....or demonstrate enough courtesy to remain speechless...give it a week or two, some people have trouble getting the right components .

then say ...told you so..
Darren ,many times i wanted to save you from the spinning magnets..but you were doing such a wonderful and thorough job..there was just a slight chance that ai was wrong ..I shut up!

Would you have apreciated me if I had said that I think that the cap is faulty?

I think that many mis understandings here are because people seem to think that an overunity claim is being made...it has not it is not.

When this conversion is better understood it may be phased in such a way that will produce huge excess power....we are a  way of that but MUCH closer than ever befor thank to the effors of many here .

Imagine asking the wright brothers for a complete aerodymamic analysis of their first flights?

You know they had to ship their plane to england because no body believed them...or the witnesses.

Look at Stevens story about stopping trains with wind....there are so many cases...not everybody is suited to being in thick of it and the promise that this holds is far to great for some they want proof ...NOW.. Please be patient if you chose to be a spectator.

These last few days have been interesting and certainly in whole make a very interesting discussion which unfortunately may support the posititon that UEC has taken so far.

It also supports my position which is that it must be understood to be accepted by those who's interest might be just money.

Some of you really need to see that we are all a part of this process..warts and all

The expression of Doubt has never created any thing....

Of course some would doubt that!

Now what can you bring to this?

KINDMEN

Lindsay Mannix

Ps sorry something went silly ..tried to get the after the quotes..

Technology!!!!!

The problem with the tests and evidence presented here so far, is it falls short of these requirements. Granted, many if not most of the testers may not be qualified electronics test people, but there are many suggestions being made here to try and help out in this respect.

Darren
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Ok people have asked several important questions so here are the answers.

So for those who are interested in the truth here it is, no bias, just truth. Take it or leave it.

First; what is the most important thing above all else when designing an energy device?

*The ability to perform correct and accurate measurements.

There is NOTHING more important than this. a device is 100% worthless without it.

Most "free energy" devices fail because the inventor does not correctly measure the device.

Those who willfully fake this stuff, the con artists will never allow anyone to "properly" test their devices, that is the first mark of outright fraud. 

So what do you all need to do? 

Measure it properly!

If you properly measure your device taking into consideration all the things engineering people take into consideration then engineers will agree and work with you instead of drinking beer while you are winding and testing and slaving in the lab.

Inventors have to understand what a correct test is.

A correct test is properly measuring the input and properly measuring the output, then comparing the ratio of the 2.

That has not been done on the tpu according to the way an engineer would do it.

So here is how you can do it in a "crude" manner to see if you are even close to UO.  If you are "close" then we can go to more accurate and sophisticated measuring techniques.


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First you start with the power source and from your power source you go to a series shunt to measure the input current.

I personally use 10 - 1 ohm 100 watt resistors in parrallel to yield .1 ohm at 1000 watts for my "series shunt" to measure input power. 

We can now use the current through the shunt and th4e voltage to accurately calculate the power into the device(s).

Now from your shunt you want to block any rf feeding back into the supply so you put a big coil in series with yout your shunt.  Use something like a 10milli henry coil smoothed by a 10000uf cap.

Now you have nice accurate way to easily measure your filtered source for your generator or your high power output drivers or both which ever way you go.

Put a dc rectifier on the output of your tpu run that to another filter cap and finally the load.

Scope/meter across the shunt for I, and then a meter from the shunt to ground to measure V, finally scope and meter the output across either a known load (resistor) or a shunt and a load.

The object behind this is that it significantly reduces your margin for error because even the crappiest meter can read "pure" or well filtered DC quite easily and quite accurately and so if you are all correct in your believe this will prove it beyond even an engineers doubt that you are on to something that "really" works.

As far as helping is concerned this is it.  There is no better tool at your disposal than to know how to correctly assess your project and what i have given you here is a very crude and simple means of testing (most) energy devices accurately.
 
I hope this serves to clear up where i am coming from and why "everyone" should insist that anyone who wants them to believe in an energy device should at a minimum "insist" on clear and accurate output/input measurements before committing themselves to heavily in these sorts of things.

So here is the math.

Most have gens feeding your power circuitry.

              output
CO =        ----------
              input (-/+) feed circuitry

Granted this is severely over simplified but i think most engineers out here would agree this is one of the most clear cut sure fire way to eliminate skeptism when presenting measured data to a professional in the industry simply because most meters read dc just fine.

Showing a light bulb or a drill or even a tv simply is not a bonafide test and no engineer will ever agree it is.  (this is indisputable)

Granted this setup is crude but it will work and it will yield (with reasonable shielding techniques) accurate results.

Another important point on this is that it will tell you if your latests changes are an improvement or worsening and tell you exactly how much, so that will allow you to quantify your changes rather than kinda sorta bright and brighter dimmer etc. 
If someone gets really close to unity then we can take this to the next step and account for all power used/gained in the system on a per system basis.

regards,
kj


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