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Successful TPU-ECD replication !

Started by mrd10, June 12, 2007, 05:12:47 AM

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pauldude000

Concerning "overunity", "free energy", "perpetual motion", "falsifiable", and the amazingly overused and abused "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". (ME VENTING A LITTLE)

What is bad is that it is NOT the "crackpots" which are giving science a bad name. It is the scientists themselves. Nobody expects a "crackpot" to be truthfull, nor is science itself judged by the actions of "crackpots". However this term is given, not only to "crackpots", but to anyone challenging the scientifical "status quo". It is mislabeled and misused, and is sacrcastic in nature. Truly was it said "sarcasm is the refuge of a weak mind".  Many here would be labeled as such, but you are in good company, as every truly notable pioneer in the field of science has worn the label at one time or another. Pioneering means straying into uncharted and therefore unknown territory.

If I am therefore a "crackpot", then I thank the stator for the honorable title bestowed upon me.... (Honestly, to rate me with such as copernicus and newton!)

Some terms in physics today are so abused, they are next to meaningless. They HAD a legitimate meaning at one point, but the meaning has been lost over time through intentional misuse.

1.   "overunity", or "Coefficiency Of Power (COP)>1", or "getting more energy out than is put in":

If you are looking for this, you will not find it. It is truly a violation of the 2nd law. However, since you have not been looking for it, why are you worried about it????

At this point many may scream "yes I am!". I equally scream back "NO YOU AREN'T!!!!!!!!"  You are looking for a means of energy amplification through a device which controls the flow of already present energy sources...... You are no more looking for overunity than a trasistor accomplishes the fact. The only ones defining it as overunity are those whom do not percieve the energy source.

If I looked at an electrical circuit using a transistor controlled current source which required x volts to actuate, yet the output of the circuit was of 10x volt/amps put in, does that mean that the cicuit was 10x overunity? NO! It means that the cuircuit controlled 10x volt/amps of previously stored energy! If one refuses to accept the concept of already present stored energy, then such nonsense concepts as "overunity" comes into play.

Devices such as tesla envisioned, moray and others accomplished, etc., are actually hideously INNEFFICIENT AND UNDER-UNITY considering the energy source being tapped. (Efficiency you would NOT want with energy of such scale.)

Overunity is being misused by both sides.

2. "free energy"

This is truly laughable. The universe is full of "free energy", from electromagnetic, photonic, mechanical, gravitical, thermal, etc., etc., etc.... Any energy YOU did not have to produce, which you can divert for your own purposes IS BY DEFINITION FREE ENERGY! UGGGH! (solar cells, windmills, watermills, heat pumps, thermocouples, etc., etc., etc.,)

This concept should be self-evident.

3. "perpetual motion"

How much energy has anyone "dumped" into an atom to keep it's electrons spinning? HMMMM? Perpetual motion machines DO EXIST IN NATURE, and no they don't violate the 2nd Law. (Or maybe you claim there are no atoms, because they are indeed perpetual motion machines?)

The energy source is as yet "undetermined", NOT "non-existant". There is a difference. If you come across a "perpetual motion device", then you are giong to merely have to find the energy source responsible for its continuance operation.


4. "falsifiable"

ALL THEORIES are either falsifiable, or are false. That includes ALL THEORIES, including the "popular", "trendy", or "accepted" theories as well. ALL THEORIES are scrutinizeable! Anomalies in a theory are not just something to "sweep under a rug" and forget. They are something to be experimented with, and the theory revised to fit the truth, since the "anomalies" are in actuality flaws in the theory. This is true whether the reader is amateur tinkeror OR professional scientist.

5. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

This is generally used (abused) pretty much by those whom fancy themselves scientific experts. Understand that an expert (Ex-Spurt) is generally a former drip under pressure.

It is an egotistical statement which in current useage means "I don't believe you, and instead of using my own brain, I shall be mentally lazy and even refuse to look at your work, accepting that you may have to describe things in a manner I find unpleasant or untechnical, since it is quite obvious to me that I am superior in thought and inherent ability to you."

I can tell you for a fact, since I use it myself in it's true meaning ("Your statement does not fit observeable reality, therefore the burden of demonstration of truth or clarification is upon you."). Unfortunately, those whom think themselves "above or smarter" than me generally get riled at the useage, as if I had commited sacriledge to challenge them.

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As long as the scientific world remains controlled by a clique society of mutual backpatting individuals and jealous backbiting fighting over scraps of peer controlled funding, everone pioneering anything new will be scorned, ridiculed, and harassed. Do not attribute this to all science or all scientists either. It is generally the incapable that ridicule instead of investigate and debate.

I have personally had to deal with many scientists (in various clubs I used to belong to) over many topics, and have found many that either modified their views, demonstrated actual error in my thinking, or remained friendly even with serious and irreconcilable disagreement conceptually with me. I deem all of these as truly intelligent individuals, no matter the outcome of the debates, as they were friendly and honest in attitude.

Paul Andrulis
Finding truth can be compared to panning for gold. It generally entails sifting a huge amount of material for each nugget found. Then checking each nugget found for valuable metal or fool's gold.

Motorcoach1

@ Otto > I had some results with the round coils , but nothing promiscing. I'm going to try this as a coil , I need to remove some metal so it will fit on the rings. Also going to add a LED sequencer 5khz x 6 added to the Fet circut.

pauldude000

Quote from: 13thHouR on August 24, 2007, 09:47:31 PM
Opening up and being truthful is important, but their are some issues with TPU's as Tesla discovered in his higher kick energy coils that result in rather alarming results.

So when some users are reluctant to publish some findings, this is not always about keeping it close to their chest, often they are torn between scientific sharing and moral counter arguments that such a disclosure could raise.

TPU's don't just gradually increase as you raise the efficiency of the device, their output grows exponentially (not always in electrical form) . So the difficulty is harnessing this in a way, that is not so dangerous to reseracher or the locality in which it is being tested.

Where Scalar (Soliton) waves are concerned, conventional methods of protection do not work, as they will tunnel through most objects.

These "moral considerations" unspoken but very real of which you speak are exactly WHY it must be disclosed. It is obvious that everyone who has had success had a self limiting device. What happens when someone creates a Q self sustainging device, without any internal limiters? If this energy is what I suspect it is, people are thinking on WAY to small of a scale concerning potential energy release.

Nuclear is too small of a scale...... E=mc^2 demonstrates enough energy in a cubic centimeter of space, relative to enough mass/energy possibly to create all matter in the known universe, if you look at E as the stored potential. A horridly innefficient millionths of a decimal point of efficient use of such yields what? (hint, we were terrified because of them during the cold war)

Personally I would feel safer, but not much, in a different galaxy if even a fractional efficiency were attained........ I agree whole heartedly that any unregulated device be buried so deep that NO-ONE has it. However, sooner or later someone WILL hit on fractional Q efficiency, if the working practically infinitely innefficient 1kw to 30kw units are not released, and education of how dangerous these devices truly can be IS NOT TAUGHT TO THOSE TINKERING WITH THEM!   :'(

If we are lucky, they (uneducated tinkerors) will merely irradiate themselves, and possibly their entire house with some hitherto unknown potentially lethal radiation, or maybe cause a localized wormhole. If we are unlucky...............

Being quite blunt, I think we are tapping a minute imbalance in the energy source that makes matter itself. At full Q, it will no longer be a trickle.

Look at the energy scale this way, I do not think the energy scale either starts or ends with electromagnetic energy. It is somewhere "midpoint" of the range, with stable particles being various particular frequencies higher than electromagnetic can achieve. Unstable particles which readily revert back to energy are even higher, with the base source of energy being the top of the scale. That is why E=mc^2 even works, as E refers not to photonic energy, but the energy from which matter itself originates! This is the mostly stable "field" from which quarks and other unstables emerge and return, and through which "tunneling" happens (absorption/re-imission). Think of all demonstrated "phenomena" as a "measureable effect" of this extremely high frequency basal based pair energy source.

All of these effects are CHANGE IN FREQUENCY/AMPLITUDE/AND/OR/CARRIER WAVE MODULATION.

1. It requires two or more energy pairings (minimum, but not necessarily limited to) to achieve the basic stable field.
2. However, we know for a fact that the field is not completely balanced, as new particles are emergent from it (appear from nowhere), and return to it(dissappear to nowhere). Therefore tapping excess gradient is no surprise.
3. Tunneling is then not necessarily speed based, as it may possibly be absorption and re-emission phenomena, however I blieve it would be a traveling particle scenario due to point 5).
4. It also explains such phenomena as inertia (drag imposed by the energy source which exists everywhere).
5. Magnetism itself could therefore be a field generated by such tunneling (if the tunneling particles left a "wake" in the energy).

Don't get me wrong, this is all mere speculation as far as theories go, and is anything but fully formed in my mind vision, but the pieces keep falling into place.

The harder I have slammed this concept with the "mental sledgehammer", the solider it appears. I may have the wrong hammer.

Actually, due to point 2, the question is just how imbalanced is the energy pairing? If not much, then we may be safe as the amount of extractable energy may well be self limited, since paired energy would be for all intents and purposes would be innaccesible!

I think I am now talking to myself, and will stop.  :-\

Paul Andrulis
Finding truth can be compared to panning for gold. It generally entails sifting a huge amount of material for each nugget found. Then checking each nugget found for valuable metal or fool's gold.

otto

Hello all,

@Motorcoach1

you mentioned balance: hot - cold

Our TPU is HOT and I saw that in the same TPU I can have hot and cold coils. My problem is that I had it already and lost this effect. I had 3 hot controls and 1 cold control but....s..t happens and somethings going wrong. Now all my coils are hot. Maybe I burned 1 control, as so often, and cant see it, maybe....

Of course Im working on my ECD because I dont see a better way, for now, to have success.
Of course, in the future, the coils will be spreaded "all around" the collectors....like the original TPU. But for now, my setup.

Otto

acerzw

@lltfdaniel1

Thankyou my friend, thats the one I wanted, many thanks.

Acerzw
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