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Successful TPU-ECD replication !

Started by mrd10, June 12, 2007, 05:12:47 AM

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dutchy1966

#565
June 25, 2007, 06:33:37 AM
Hi Gustav,

Very good observations! I've been thinking that for a long time already. Why?
Because SM stated in the very beginning already it is like a hose filled with water. You can move the water by picking up one side and moving it along the length of it. That description can very well descrive a quarter wavelength standing wave!!

So it migth be that we have to rotate this standing wave because he says we have to move it along the length of it.

regards

Robert

Thaelin

#566
June 25, 2007, 08:15:56 AM
   And if your frequency was not quite on target, then it would appear from a standing point to be passing by.

   Just did a test of a twin coil with each frequency originating from opposite ends. Input about 12 p/p on each. Output to scope > 250. Alas, no power tho. Bulb load killed it completely to a 90 degree coil. Resonant point about 350k. Same direction, nada.

sugra

Bruce_TPU

#567
June 25, 2007, 10:12:26 AM
@ Gustav22
I believe you are absolutely right.  This is how the diameter of the collectors is directly related to the frequency and vice versa.  The tech name for this is called directivity.  I posted about it on my thread sometime ago.  It is a weird mathamatical formula, because you have to know the frequency to determine the wavelength as well as the circumference.  It is used for loud speaker design.

Quote from: sugra on June 25, 2007, 08:15:56 AM
   And if your frequency was not quite on target, then it would appear from a standing point to be passing by.

   Just did a test of a twin coil with each frequency originating from opposite ends. Input about 12 p/p on each. Output to scope > 250. Alas, no power tho. Bulb load killed it completely to a 90 degree coil. Resonant point about 350k. Same direction, nada.

sugra


@ EVERYONE
I would add, and please correct me Sugra if I am wrong, but the opposing signal was from a SECOND SOURCE.  A second generator.  SAME source opposing signals will NOT work.  This is the secret.  PLEASE see my last post on my thread for details.  Read it until you understand.  Also read BEP's and Sugra's last post on my thread.

Thank you for your time,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

ronotte

#568
June 25, 2007, 10:47:57 AM
@Gustav22,

1 - YES, the secundary coil is under the primary (the red coil).

2 - I checked your math and it is correct. The reason why the secundary is just over 9 m (in Otto's design) is only for gain an additional signal onto the 2 rings (1:2 ratio) and because Otto found more power with said lenght.

3 - I find it interesting to cut secundary coil to 7.7 m just to stay in full wave resonance with Cu and in order to have still a good ratio may be useful to cut primary to 1.9 m. (note that I've exchanged primary with secundary..I don't know if this may be done).

As I've to wind the second ECD CC I'll follow the suggestion. Let's see it in action.

Actually I'm thinking that this type of standard math about resonance & standing wave conditions are not so important as the coils are excited by many frequencies all together...it isn't absolutely the case of 1 freq only! so why privilege a single freq?  On the contrary in my personal opinion the coil should be of wide-band kind just to easier the frequencies forming! (please think that the formed sinus is @50 KHZ). Again the actual CC (as in my paper) do show a bandwidht of less than 80 KHz...a possible scenario could be that of study one of the many coil construction alternatives that may lead to lessen the stray intrinsic capacitance and so widen the bandwidth.

Roberto

Thaelin

#569
June 25, 2007, 12:04:58 PM
@Btenzer:
   That is correct, that was two seperate gens running using only the positive lead from each. No grounds were hooked up. I have been trying to figure out how to achive some sort of terminating point for each signal with out using the grounds. Not sure how I would do it.
   If and when I get my fet drives in the mail, I will be trying that again with really short pulse durations. Then I will see if that output has any power asociated to it. Laterz

sugra
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