Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !

[hartiberlin]

JNPCo. schrieb:
>> Okay, thanks,
>> it is now posted here:>>
>> http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2622.msg38417.html#msg38417
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>> The question really is,how much friction this huge Newman motor and the pump will have  at the used RPM ?
>>
>> Only the frictional  losses at these RPM will count and the heat losses inside the Newman machine
>> >from the input current.
>
>
> In the solar panel demonstration Joseph Newman has constructed such a large demonstration (using a very large, 7,500-lb prototype) precisely because he gotten the pseudo arguments >from so-called engineers over the years that "...well, there MUST be something wrong with the ampmeters, voltmeters, or oscilloscopes!"  Why?  Because they cannot believe their own eyes.
>
> So, for the moment -- dispense with the meters/oscilloscopes.  Go with your intuitive observations.
>
> You mention "frictional losses" above.  Let's talk about "friction".
>
> Let's take the rotary of Joe's 7,500-lb machine.  That weighs in at 1,200 pounds.  I've tried to turn that shaft with my bare hands.  I would suspect that you, like me, would be able to BARELY turn it about a 1/3 of a revolution.  Simply put: there is a lot of FRICTION.  And I've felt the weight of that 450-lb flywheel.  I'd hate to have to lift it!  Joe tells me that two grown men grabbing the rotary of the 350-pound positive displacement pump --- with all their applied strength --- can barely turn that rotary even one full revolution!  And it takes them 2 minutes to do so!  I'd say that's a bit of "friction".
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> Thus, if ANYONE tells me that 120 watts external input ---- ALONE ---- from several solar panels is capable of ALONE producing the input energy that results in the external output energy of: 1) rotating a 1200-lb rotary 500+ rpms , 2) rotating a 450-lb flywheel 500+ rpms, 3) rotating the rotary of a 350-lb positive displacement pump over 100 rpms, AND 4) pumping water against a 10-foot head at 5,000 gal/day .......  if ANYONE said that such externally outputted mechanical energy was accomplished by ONLY by 120 watts external input, I'd have to say they are a candidate for a first class lobotomy!
>
> So, excepting those individuals who are lobotomy candidates, my question would be:
> If the solar panels only provide a 120-watt input, then WHERE ----- WHERE  ----- W H E R E ? ----- is the additional energy coming from to accomplish all of the above mechanical actions??
> A sincere, intellectually-honest, and open-minded individual would ask such a question.  And those who do will be the pioneers in applying this technology to the future.
>

Dear Evan,


as I don?t know, if the 7500 pound motor has any iron inside the stator
and the magnets inside the rotor will cogg  to this iron,
it could be really hard to turn the rotor if there is no voltage applied
due to this cogging effect ..


Otherwise, if the voltage from the solar panels are applied, I could imagine,
when Newman uses good bearings, that after the powering up phase, when the motor
spins at its idle RPM this 7500 pounds Newman motor only needs about 10 to 20 Watts to overcome
the friction inside the bearing, as there is only mainly the bearing friction to overcome.

As the flywheel is not a fan, this will not drag much down the motor via airfriction.
so airfriction is probably pretty minimal , probably below 10 Watts.


Now let?s say from the 120 Watts of input remains about 100 Watts at the Newman machine output shaft,so
as there is also a gear which amplifies the torque via lower RPM conversion, you have left this 100 Wattsto pump the water 10 foot high.
As we already calculated, it only needs about 17 Watts constantly to do so  to pump 0.56 Liters/sec or 5000 gallons
of water per day 10 foot up.
So all in all this pump could waste about 100 Watts - 17 Watts = 83 Watts of power in friction to do the pumping...
As long as we don?t have the exact measurements of friction versus RPM of these devices, it is all
speculation how efficient this Newman motor is.
At least there are smaller pumps that can pump the water much higher at lower input Wattage,
so this was not such a good demo.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Forwarded from Evan Soul?:


Joseph Newman now reports that his solar panel demo runs IN THE RAIN!

Also, while the system operates, the ampmeter continuously runs NEGATIVE. 

It runs from zero to negative-zero to negative-zero to negative ..... constantly.

Also, the capacitor shows a charge of well over 300 volts while the system is running.

[hartiberlin]

From Evan Soul?:


Stefan,

One could discuss the parameters of the energy machine until the cows come home to roost (to mix metaphors).

But Joseph Newman has issued a worldwide challenge:

Prove him wrong and walk away with $10,000.

He has stated that there is NO conventional motor than can do what his does.

So, simply, if someone has a conventional motor that CAN do what his does --- prove him wrong, win the challenge, and walk away with $10,000.

At this point in his life, he is not going to endlessly debate such things as "whether the friction (or lack of it) is or is not a factor."  He's beyond debate.  At this point, he provided a challenge.  He "puts his money where his mouth is."

Anyone who is convinced that his demonstration is wrong (for whatever reason) has an opportunity to put up or shut up.

And if the past is any indication -- no one will rise to the challenge.

Evan   

[Dingus Mungus]

The only problem with "the challange" is it has to be equally as inefficient as his device meaning that it must spin all these thousand pound components and not just pump water. That is a challange I'll admit, but its a useless device to duplicate since the machine is so inefficient. Now some people are confusing losses with work. There is a difference, unless the loss is influencing the enviornment, its just a way too big fly wheel.

I have a pump right now that'll pump more water when using the same input source, but that doesn't qualify. No half a ton of spinning steel to show off... I guess thats important for a water pump to have.

I think someone is either influencing Joe to stand behind this badly planned demo, or he's losing it.
~Dingus Mungus

[hartiberlin]

A good demo would have been running the former used
alternator-generator with the 7500 pound Newman
motor and powering a 5 x 100 Watts incandescent bulbs load from it
from the 120 Watts of solar input power.

Then everybody could immediately  see, that the Newman motor would put out more power
than the solar panels could deliver.

Why is Joe Newman not doing this ?