TPU as a magnetic vortex generator

[MeggerMan]

Hi Robert,
I think you are the right track with this idea.
My view is that the TPU acts like a mini black hole to the earths magnetic field lines pulling them in and rotating them via the Coriolis effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

The field lines would normally pass straight over the top of the tpu when it is off, when it is working correctly, it pulls the lines down through the tpu like a tornado, with a dead spot in the centre (eye of the storm).
The rotation of the field can then cut across the windings of the outer collector to create power.
So that means that if it generates a current in the collector it will do the same in the control windings and if the rotation is always the same direction then flipping it over will mean its working against itself and therefor stop working.
More current in the collector probably causes a run-away effect and may explain the heating effect where too much current is being created in the control windings from the vortex.

So be sure we have the vortex effect we need to see a spinning compass needle.
Surely the first test we must do is create a vortex and then worry about output power.
We can summise that SM managed to create a spinning vortex with just a primary and secondary frequency, which implies two sets of coils spaced apart vertically seperated by some foam filler.
I think the coils need to be linked togetherÃ,  via some coax core as Wavewatcher mentioned.
This looks like a simple experiment to try then.
Regards
Rob

[dutchy1966]

Hi Rob,

I've been thinking about the use of the coriolis effect too. Wether ar not it is indeed being used by the tpu, I'm not sure. At first i thought it would have something function in the tpu. (as you can still see in my postst in bruce's thread). But then I realized then the tpu might be using the vertical component of the earths magnetic field instead of the obvious choice the horizontal one. In that case I think it is no longer necessary.
Anyway, to be short, maybe it is use maybe it isn't. I can't say for sure at the moment.....

Then about creating a vortex. How do we accomplish that. First I still wonder what stevens remark about the highspeed rotating magfield means. Here it is as a reminder:

48. Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a
magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things
suddenly change?

I'm wondering if it maybe changes into a vortex at a certain rotation speed?
The other I saw somewhere the other day was the creation of a rotating field with 1st and 2nd harmonic.
I haven't been able to find it again afterwards...still looking for it.
It would fit in nicely with the use of those two freqeuncies in the tpu.

Then I found a nice patent for creating a Rotating Magnetic Field. It has some very advanced features. I suggest having a look at it, it could be very useful.

regards

Robert

 

[MeggerMan]

@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

[bob.rennips]

@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

I reckon to convert a rotating magnetic field to a vortex you need to add a vertical magnetic field i.e. North at the top, South at the bottom from either a permanent magnet or solenoid. Of course if you applied AC to the solenoid then you would have a vortex where the center moved up and down.

The vertical field adds a vertical component to the horizontal spinning which is a vortex. This is part of the idea of the Stephan Marinov magvid.

Or Helm holz coils above and below the rotation to create a uniform vertical magnetic field. This is a form of Penning trap. Charged particles that enter will be separated +ve to top, -ve to bottom. If Radiant Energy is created and is a charged particle, then you would get spinning charged particles, which in turn would create a rotating magnetic field that could be intersected. Coil on top would be +ve DC output, coil on bottom would be -ve DC output assuming collection coils are both wound in the same sense. Without the vertical field to separate the particles, the magnetic fields from the particles cancel each other.

[dutchy1966]

@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

Hi Rob,

yes I know the patent is old but the reason i put it here because it has features like stop on binary signal while stopping AT a phase crossing to prevent ringing in the coils. Also it can "fire" one revolution exactly starting and stopping at phase crossing.! Of course we can do alot with counters and multiple coils but you will never get a TRUE rotating field. Well I guess we have too see if that can work or not....

Here is a bit from the website you gave:

Already in the 19th. Century, Michael Faraday made some remarkable but little known discoveries in regard to spinning magnets. Faradays discovery was simple, but totally revolutionary. If a bar magnet is set spinning, the differential in velocity, down the radius, of each turning magnetic element, sets up a magnetic vortex. This effect is more pronounced with a series of bar magnets radiating from a central spinning hub, or a spinning, magnetic disc.
At a certain threshold of angular velocity, the magnetic vortex sets up an inter-dimensional energy portal through a vortex resonance.

This is the confirmation I was looking for. A spinning magnet sets up a vortex! If it gonna be inter dimensional I don't know......
It seems that you need to setup a North and a Southpole. Could it be that the top ring sets up a north pole and the bottom ring a south pole? 

@BoB.Rennips
If the poles are on the top and bottom ring, would that give enough vertical component to the spinning field?

Anyone any idea how we can find out this angular treshold at which a vortex is created?

Regards

Robert