The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?

[otto]

Hello all,

I feel sorry for you guys but Im here again.
You all know that Im working on the TPU but .....

You are replicating Brnbrades work or the Mcfarland patent no. 119 825???

Im asking this because in this patent was sayd the following:

1. iron core, solid bar or a bundle of iron wire no 16 - better
2. lenght 2,3,6....feet
3. diameter 2, 3 or more inches
4. primary windings: wire no.30 or less
5. secondary windings: wire no.16 or bigger

Primary and secondary wound in same direction

Nuber of turns:

Primary 500 - 1000 feet or more
Secondary more or less than primary

The more wires and the better the isolation is, the better results.

Now my question: why are you all using Aluminium? or a Al foil?

In the patent was mentioned only a ribbon spiral!!!!

Why dont you try a copper ribbon spiral??? and an Al ribbon spiral ?

Your lenght of your iron core is 33,5"? Why???

Why dont you cut this lenght to 31,4" so you can meet my measures with my 6" TPU???

Ha, ha, now Im an ass. If you would have the same measures as my 6" TPU, I wouldnt need to work soooo much on my TPU setup. You would do for me a lot of work,ha,ha.

Yeeees, I know, this is NOT a TPU but I see a lot of similarities. Again, its NOT a TPU.

If Brnbrade is working so hard on his device as Im with my TPU than be sure he has changed a lot of times his setup. And he IS working veeery hard and fast.

Otto

[Earl]

@Earl

If this new build winds up being a dud, don't worry, I'll take it apart and redo another one. But do you have any basis for isolating the alu foil turns? Everything goes at this stage and there are many variables to consider but you have to start somewhere.

Hi,

Standard, traditional engineering says an aluminum layer over a coil is a no-no.
This one-turn short-circuit will reflect back to the coil and cause extremely heavy loading.
It will drop the coil's impedance to a low value and ruin its Q factor.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Swiss Thestatika used perforated aluminum quite a lot.  So another possiblity is to use aluminum mosquito netting.  If the aluminum is beneficial by providing an electrostatic shield while at the same time permitting a magnetic field to pass, then both alu foil and alu mosquito net would have the same effect.  The alu mosquito netting would have much lower capacity to the winding in comparison to alu foil.

IMO, I would make the alu layers with a small longitudinal slit and have this layer available externally.  Even though this might be physcially difficult one could then during tests short the slit together and reopen it, all externally.  This might be easier to do with thin alu or brass sheet than alu foil, which tears easily.  Did you see my idea of using aluminized-paper beverage containers?  At least these would not tear and the insulated layers could be shorted together externally.

Another possibility is to build everything on concentric plastic tubes - or thick flexible plastic that can be made into custom-diameter tubes.  These could slide in and out of eachother, each layer of coil and alu being "slide-able".  There would be no permanent, fixed physical connection between layers.

Regards, Earl

[wattsup]

@mramos

Brnbrade just gave the layers and nothing else specific.

I gave it the name Cook-Brnbrade Coil or CBC so those in the know don't have to repeat all the time. CBC sounds ok to me. But how does it work is the question.

By the way I got your PM and we'll discuss when I get my internet service working again.

@Earl

I saw your idea on the cartonized alu material but I don't know if the density of that aluminium is the same as Alu foil. But it will surley be a way to test in the next trials. Your idea of bringing out an Al conductor for exterior tests seems good and would not be difficult. I can just bring out an AL wire from inside the AL layer to outside the coil and test. OK.

@otto

What we are trying is a mix between Cook's patent and Brnbrade's build, but mostly following the limited info from Brnrbrade since I could not speak personally to Cook. LOL

I know Cook was talking about much larger units up to 12 feet long but I guess we'll start small.

My first CBC had gone up to 8.xx vdc and it was a pretty rudimentary set-up with wire core, not very thick and only three layers of Alu foil. I am suspecting that there was alot of leakage between the coils and this is why I am going to use more foil, solid 1/2" core, etc.

Also, regardless of the dimensions, if there is anything positive in this build and test, I am sure there will be something to take out of it for the ECD. By the way, did you see my post on page 72 #718 of the ECD thread. Maybe you missed it cause the posts advance so fast.

@all

It's a bugger still not having my internet connection up at home. They say it will be back on line by Saturday afternoon. So I am at my office computer working later.

Again here is what Brndbrade said about the Vortex. Please keep in mind and see any parallel you can find elsewhere.

QUOTE
Hi wattsup
What I am making here is mini Vortex inside of the cook coils.
It can seem joke for some, but it is accurately what all are looking for here.
The way that voc?s is making is: to change magnetic field in transforming mobius.
The aluminum in my device has an important function. It is not only insulator of the dipositivo. Science of the Vortex says, strong static element, annuls magnetic field and creates Vortex to driver.
Regards
UNQUOTE

From what I am seeing in the build, and from what Brnbrade said about his coil creating a Vortex, such a Vortex will create a concentrated energy level at the outlet of the Primary (thin inner wire coil) leading to the inlet of the Secondary (thick outer wire coil). The Secondary has to the be large enough to capture the energy from the Primary and send it back to the Primary. This loop is a closed system and will be very interesting to work with.

"Strong static element, annuls magnetic field and creates Vortex to driver." What does this really mean? The only thing I can think of is the strong static element is the Alu foil element AL which is static because it is non-changing when exposed to a magnetic field and it cancels the magnetic field that the the secondary is trying to build. Such a field collapse occurs usually when a energized coil is de-energized or discharged, but in this case instead of discharging or unloading the current from the coil, the AL is doing it while the current still flows. As if you are pulsing on/off on a coil without the pulse. WOW! This could be the answer to my limited EE. A non-pulsing pulser.

So if the Alu foil is not thick enough the collapses may not occur as often or as strongly as when the Al foil is much thicker. But then maybe you have to be carefull not to have too much Alu Foil to possibly inhibit the fields surrounding the electons themselves. Not enough or too much? See the potential variables involved for such a simple looking device.

Another main question is the electrical tape (ET), since this is a major component in the build being applied between ever other layer. Does ET cause a loss in magnetic fields between layers or is it as passive as one would hope it be to act as a neutral insulator? Or, does ET only want to call home. LOL No, seriously, I'm asking this because I have not found Al varnish anywhere - none. The paints for metal fences don't say what's inside their mixture so I am very hesitant to try them.

I'll continue my build on Sunday.

[BEP]

@Wattsup

I found some spray shellac in the paint store. I used that rather than tape as it takes up less space and allows the layers to be closer. The idea being 'closer' = more capacitance.

The aluminum is in the patent. Coils can be single or ribbon and in one case it even mentions they don't have to be insulated wire???

Magnetic fields aren't shielded by aluminum but appear to create an opposing field ahead of the oncomming field from the copper coil. I haven't figured how they look when comming out the other side.

On the vortex idea he may mean..

the aluminum cylinder is acting as the static solenoid in most vortex generators.

Wild guess inner coil provides one direction of rotation

aluminum acts as static solenoid coil (should need a DC field through the al then)..

next coil provides rotation in reverse direction of inner coil

particles shoot in both ends and rotate around aluminum cylinder

as they do they create DC from one end to the other of the cylinder.

That would require connecting the opposite ends of the al cylinder to the coils at the coil ends (probably the coil on the other rod)(??)

If that is true then the system would need a DC kick of the right polarity and only output DC when self-running.
Even without external caps there is some small mf value between layers.
Sounds like a resonant Tesla tank to me.

I've been able to reproduce your self charging capacitor. The voltage never amounts to much but all you need is magnet>capacitor<magnet and a coil wrapped around all three and the coil in series with the cap with one end open.
Both the cap and the coil have one end open.

The frequency matches the LC resonance. The only way I can figure the cap charging is maybe because it is an Electrolytic. They like to charge in one direction a little better than the other.
I think it may be getting starting power from the ambient 60Hz.

[wattsup]

Back online - Hope it lasts!!!!!

@BEP

Thank you for the insight. I have been reading up on vortex fields and realize I will have to do alot more reading.

Regarding Cooks patent number 119,825, unless my eyes have a natural aversion to the word "aluminum", I for the life of me cannot find it in the patent. Please advise where or are you referring to another patent.

About the shelac, what I am worried about is putting shelac onto the aluminum layers. When rolling the AL foil, there will always be some loosness in the layer. If I put shelac onto the Al layer and if there is any loosness, when the primary thin wire is wound it could break the shelac. Especially when winding the Secondary (thick wire) onto the second shelaced alu foil layer. So I am wondering if the shelac is the best answer. I don't want to have to re-do this next build without doing some good testing, but I need a good starting chance.