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Talking about phase...

Started by bob.rennips, July 01, 2007, 08:16:56 PM

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MarkSnoswell

The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.

I comment here simply to make the observation that the TPU and other related devices (Aurelano's "Mexican device" and Hollingsheads devices) all appear to embody spinor resonance configurations. No one seems to have noticed this as yet... Regretably the quaternion maths to describe spinors is hardly taught outside the one practical application of 3D rotations in 3D applications. Visualization of quaternion and spinors is even less know -- barely done at all.

I have been working on new vizualizations of spinors and have discovered a diverse range of coil configurations that make sense from the point of creating (or tuning into) spinor resonance but are nonsensical in any other context. I supose I can release one image now -- all of the apparent "coils" in the attached image are actually snapshots of trace lines through 3D space as it is distorted by a radiating spinnor. -- forget any intuition borrowed from simple axial rotation as you look at this image. Spinors work quite differnetly -- the spin direction and axis are indicated by the white arrow in the foreground. If you look closley you will also note that the traces spirall in counterwound fashion.

anyway... a lot of what people are stumbling onto appears to make good sense from the standpoint of spinor resonance which, as you can see, is very different from simple single axis rotational systems.

I also attached a (sorry for the blur) scope trace showing output of a passive 3 phase resonator. The phase separation is not perfect in this shot -- it's very dificult to tune perfectly and reject the background single phase resonance in the component coils. The 3 phase resonance has a Q >10x the Q for single phase resonance of component coils and is very difcult to tune into. If you didn't know it was there it would be extreemly dificult to find.
Dr Mark Snoswell.
President of the CGSociety www.cgsociety.org

Bruce_TPU

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 13, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.


A truly amazing post, Dr. Snoswell!

This one post helps to explain so much of what is transpiring.  Including how the three frequencies interact on the TPU, without mixing together.  Any pictures or further 3D drawings of your own orthogonal coil setup would be good.

And the tuning is to precise phase of the three frequencies to bring this "resonance" as shown by your scope shot.  It is also interesting that you are indeed using sinewaves.  Many are attempting to tune to precise phase with square waves, overlapping.

Hmmm.....

"Now, if we tune the angular frequency of the small rotating field so that it exactly matches the precession frequency in the original static magnetic field,  all the magnetic moment will see in the rotating frame is the small field in the x-direction!  It will therefore precess about the x-direction at the slow angular speed   This matching of the small field rotation frequency with the large field spin precession frequency is the ?resonance?.

If the spins are lined up preferentially in the z-direction by the static field, and the small resonant oscillating field is switched on for a time such that  the spins will be preferentially in the y-direction in the rotating frame, so in the lab they will be rotating in the x,y plane, and a coil will pick up an ac signal from the induced emf."

The following is for the very math savvy:
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/751.mf1i.fall02/Spin.htm

Hmm......  Much more study needed of these "spinor" spins..

@ Bob B.
Is your input to phase, square or sine? 


Cheers,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

turbo

hey  :)
Your image looks like the "wobbling spinning top" which constantly remains on the edge of falling down and going back up due to energy feed control and gyroscopic balancing force.
i had that image in mind for a long time, thanks.

M.

gn0stik

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 13, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.

I comment here simply to make the observation that the TPU and other related devices (Aurelano's "Mexican device" and Hollingsheads devices) all appear to embody spinor resonance configurations. No one seems to have noticed this as yet... Regretably the quaternion maths to describe spinors is hardly taught outside the one practical application of 3D rotations in 3D applications. Visualization of quaternion and spinors is even less know -- barely done at all.

I have been working on new vizualizations of spinors and have discovered a diverse range of coil configurations that make sense from the point of creating (or tuning into) spinor resonance but are nonsensical in any other context. I supose I can release one image now -- all of the apparent "coils" in the attached image are actually snapshots of trace lines through 3D space as it is distorted by a radiating spinnor. -- forget any intuition borrowed from simple axial rotation as you look at this image. Spinors work quite differnetly -- the spin direction and axis are indicated by the white arrow in the foreground. If you look closley you will also note that the traces spirall in counterwound fashion.

anyway... a lot of what people are stumbling onto appears to make good sense from the standpoint of spinor resonance which, as you can see, is very different from simple single axis rotational systems.

I also attached a (sorry for the blur) scope trace showing output of a passive 3 phase resonator. The phase separation is not perfect in this shot -- it's very dificult to tune perfectly and reject the background single phase resonance in the component coils. The 3 phase resonance has a Q >10x the Q for single phase resonance of component coils and is very difcult to tune into. If you didn't know it was there it would be extreemly dificult to find.

Gyroscopic forces, precession, spinning a sphere in two directions at the same time. It hits a lot of points. I have to admit.

Excellent post.

Rich

MarkSnoswell

In response to questions in a few PM's.

One of my recent activities is as founder and president of the Computer Graphics Society www.CGSociety.org

I have been lurking around this field for a long time. I have rarely posted anywhere before because of the low signal to noise ratio in public forums. I am posting here now because I noticed a good signal to noise ratio and a number of people that are doing real work and thinking.

I have been doing some caerfull experiments in a number of areas for a a number of years. The research and experiments are aimed at understanding what is really happening rather then trying to duplicate others work.

I have visited some very interesting people and groups that are very secretive. Steven Marks TPU is not unique -- it has almost exactly the same behaviour, artifacts, failure modes etc as at least one other groups technology that I have seen.

I have been developing conceptual models for spacetime, particles (spinor waves) and spherical wave interactions etc for some years now. Spinors are central to this -- I cant stress enough just how different real spherical rotation (spinor) is to the common concept of rotation. No one will fully understand untill you see the animations and play with the parameters -- lots of them.

One of the rare posts I made a while ago is here http://marksnoswell.cgsociety.org/gallery/329928 it's rough and unedited but will interest the readers here.

I believe I have a good conceptual model that fits with current theories but simply explains what is happening in areas that embarass current theories -- things like black holes, renormalization, and the ratio of gravity to electromagnetic forces. When I find time to present it well I'll put it up on the web. It also appears to fit with a number of features people ar stumbling onto in areas such as the TPU -- it also neatly supports Randal Mills CQM. However what is most encouraging is that it has suggested practical devices and experiments which are exhibiting predictable and novel features in early research.

AH -- I see I miss read the attachment limitation previously -- I can upload some of the animations. Attached is a recent development I made -- it's a simple three shell solution for a spinor. There are three nested shells - each linkes to the next. There is a simple harmonic rotation on each shell as shown. This demonstrates the application of 3 components -- two at a fundamental frequency and one at the second harmonic -- that combine to create a spinor. I made this development in response to the desire to come up with a spinor fomulation that I coul make from nested coils. I believe that this (and it's topoligical equivelants) is the simplest posible formulation of a spinor. The practical side of the research is in early stages but appears to support the theory so far.

goto go now.

cheers.
Dr Mark Snoswell.
President of the CGSociety www.cgsociety.org