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Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices

Started by MarkSnoswell, July 14, 2007, 09:17:10 PM

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BEP

I haven?t participated much lately as bread-winning is demanding most of my time recently. I continue to test theories, part by part, when possible.

The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

Most will already know the following better than I:

The magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.

eldarion

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PMYou may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Earl

Hi BEP,

Quote from: BEP on July 20, 2007, 12:09:10 AM
The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

It also requires learning Radiant Energy Engineering from the self-taught University.  Radiant Energy Engineering sometimes says things that are in opposition to traditional Energy Engineering.

Most will already know the following better than I:

I will take the liberty to insert some words:

The traditional magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The traditional magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of traditional energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

In Radiant Energy Engineering, we are trying to achieve a pulse width of 1 picosecond.  We are not able to reach this, so we do the best we can.  I believe that 100 nanoseconds is realistic.  Therefore air-cored coils are perfectly OK for RE generation.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

The Italian patent wraps a coil around a magnet or electromagnet, but also says the magnet is not obligatory.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

Italian patent says high-voltage pulses are necessary, and minimum 50V amplitude difference between each pulse.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

I believe RE is a non-linear effect and doesn't matter whether FETs or tubes are used.  The only advantage of a tube is a higher voltage breakdown.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.

Would be interested in knowing more about this.

Regards, Earl


"It is through science that we prove, but through intuition that we discover." - H. Poincare

"Most of all, start every day asking yourself what you will do today to make the world a better place to live in."  Mark Snoswell

"As we look ahead, we have an expression in Shell, which we like to use, and that is just as the Stone Age did not end for the lack of rocks, the oil and gas age will not end for the lack oil and gas, but rather technology will move us forward." John Hofmeister, president Shell Oil Company

Earl

Hi Eldarion,

A MOSFET has roughly 1000 to 2000 pF input capacity.  You will not get the desired rise
and fall time without being able to source and sink several amperes into the gate.

The FET driver must be soldered directly to the FET itself; use no wires.  You are not
in a beauty contest, you are in a speed contest.

The amperes of gate drive comes only from the multiple SMD capacitors soldered directly
to the FET driver IC; again use no wires.  Trying to obtain the amperes from anywhere else
will lead to failure.

All wires in the excitation coils and collector must be litz type.  Use a minimum of 400 paralleled,
insulated wires.  The difference between a one-conductor wire and a 400-conductor wire can
easily mean the difference between success and failure.  You will have to build or buy a
soldering pot to be able to successfully solder such fine multiple wires.

Regards, Earl
Quote from: eldarion on July 20, 2007, 12:41:26 AM
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 10:25:02 PMYou may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

Eldarion
"It is through science that we prove, but through intuition that we discover." - H. Poincare

"Most of all, start every day asking yourself what you will do today to make the world a better place to live in."  Mark Snoswell

"As we look ahead, we have an expression in Shell, which we like to use, and that is just as the Stone Age did not end for the lack of rocks, the oil and gas age will not end for the lack oil and gas, but rather technology will move us forward." John Hofmeister, president Shell Oil Company

MarkSnoswell

Quote from: BEP on July 20, 2007, 12:09:10 AM... The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side.

I am not so sure. If the goal is very fast voltage pulses -- short enough such that current has not started to flow we are looking for voltage (longitudinal) waves where the transmission around the torroidal circumference via interwind capacitance dominates. This is a reversal to the normal transverse EM wave propagation. Which is what led me to propose the LWA configuration -- in which the pulse width should match the tuned circuit which is the two capacitances connected by a vertical inductive element and the pulse repetition should be in time with the signal propagation around the circumference of the device... thus (now that I have just thought of it) we have predictions for both the fundamental frequency and the pulse width.

If the transmition of longitudinal waves is an advanced wave phenomenon (as others have shown) then this will lead current flow in the central collector - pushing instead a longitudinal wave down the collector with a virtual current flow radial to the conductor == the exact reverse of normal transverse EM wave propagation we are used to.

cheers

Mark.
Dr Mark Snoswell.
President of the CGSociety www.cgsociety.org