EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it

[MarkSnoswell]

This is a copy of a post I just added to my thread here  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2764.30.html

I am posting it here in support of EMdevices enthusiasm and work but also as a warning ? trust takes time to build but is easily broken. EMdevices said it himself ?what was I thinking? ? the point is that you should think before you act...




This is in response to a PM which reflects the feeling of a lot of people ? Is this all a fake and a waste of time?


Is there something really out there to be discovered ? yes. No question. We really don?t know everything yet!


A side note before I continue  --------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this area is full of people who desperately want to believe. Most of the time they are honest but delude themselves into believing far more than they should. A few become dishonest ? and they get noticed the most.

Unbounded optimism and belief are fine ? in fact they are great motivators!  However, in equal measure, they require honesty and respect, for others and yourself. You must be aware not to create unreasonably false hopes. Regrettably the whole history of ?Free energy? is littered with people who allowed their desires and passion to delude themselves and then others into false belief. Most of the time this leads to disappointment and a feeling of betrayal as time goes on and magical results do not happen. For some the temptation is too great and they slip into knowingly deceiving themselves and others into something that is not true. They then get cast in the same light as the rare con artist that deliberately preys on others.

Don?t think scientists are beyond this behavior ? even in peer reviewed journals overzealous enthusiasm leads to distortion, and sometimes outright fraud. A case in point is the charge of an electron. This was first determined in the famous Robert Millikan and Harvey Fletcher's oil-drop experiment in 1909. The exact electron charge has been refined ever since then with better and better experiments. If you plotted the published results you would expect to see a random distribution of figures that get closer to the true value with time? you don?t. What you see is the published values start with Millikan and Fletchers published figure and gradually get closer to the true value. What was happening was that scientists rejected values too far away from previously published results and biased their own data ? a very unscientific, by very human thing to do.
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It is my opinion that the evidence for various new energy technologies is overwhelming. If you are in doubt just take some time to read the technical papers on Randal Mills Blacklight Power www.blachlightpower.com Many of Randal?s papers are published in peer review journals. Although his theories may be hotly debated I believe his core finding is well proven -- that you can drop the electron in a hydrogen atom to below the previously accepted ?zero? level. Dropping the electron to this new ?below zero? level releases lots of energy ? orders of magnitude more than chemical reactions by orders of magnitude lower than atomic fusion. This result alone ads credibility (but doesn?t make them all true) to all of the water based energy technologies.

Things I have seen that add credibility to TPU class of device?

I visited a group in Mexico last year. They have some very advanced technology which is a result of over 20 years research and a lot of funding  ? I saw demonstrations that were very impressive. They have got to the stage of miniaturizing their devices such that 400w power can be delivered from a 3mm cube device ? small enough to mount in a 8 pin dip package.  I can?t tell you if it was real or fake as I didn?t get the opportunity to test it myself. It appears to have all of the characteristics, artifacts, failure modes and inspirations as SM TPU. They are the same but they appear to share many common characteristics.

Marcus Hollingshead appeared to have something also ? I also noticed a lot of consistency in everything Marcus reported.

And then there is all of the hydrogen work ? Stanley Meyers and Bob Boyce are amongst prominent ones here. Again I am impressed by not just their reported results but by lots of little things that suggest they have the right ingredients for novel effects to exhibit themselves.

I chose to mention the above devices because I think they all have a common mechanism at work. Put it all together and there is something worth investigating? and I think I have a conceptual framework that shows simply why all of the technologies may work. However a conceptual framework is a long way from engineering   -- eg. E=mc^2 is a brilliant concept but doesn?t not tell you how to engineer atomic energy devices!

Initially I dismissed SM TPU as a fake or at least a distortion of fact. However the hints from various people make me think there is something real here ? pulse signals at three different periods, 3 drive coils, DC bias, the 1x and 2x components (plus others)? all of these things make sense. I think I know why they would be *required* in a device that taps spin energy of electrons. What I don?t know is how much truth or fabrication there is to any of the reports of success from anyone at present?. With all due respect there isn?t any really rigorously credible evidence from anyone.

As I said previously ? I was also seduced several times into attempts to copy reported devices ? and failed. I am not interested in this. The way forward is to come up with reasonable theories that are testable and could explain the devices? and then to methodically explore them. At the very least this will result in new understanding and discoveries ? the hope is that it will lead to breakthrough new technologies in many areas.

Cheers

Mark Snoswell.

[EMdevices]

Hi Guys,

As some of you know I've been involved with the TPU close to a year.

I'm working as an electrical engineer in RF right now, and I was grabed by the videos shown on google and other places.Ã,  I gave the man the benefit of doubt.

So I labored and labored and theorized and experimented, and it's been fun.

Then I got fed up with it.Ã,  It's summer time, I live in Florida where its nice and warm and have I been to the beach yet?Ã,  have I enjoyed my weekends?Ã,  have I gone on a cruise?Ã, Ã,  NO and No and NO

So I said forget this obsession.Ã,  We need first of all to make sure it's not a fake.Ã,  Why don't I try to fake it I thought.Ã, Ã, 

So I said to myself, let me call SM's statement a bluffÃ,  ("..... there are no batteries that can supply the amout of power you see here....")Ã,  and see what happens.

As I was in the store, I saw a saleÃ,  (no hurricanes yet so lots of batteries on saleÃ, Ã,  :)Ã,  )

So I bought lots and lots of batteries !!!!

I hope this has helped you in some way.Ã,  It has helped me a lot.Ã, Ã, 

There are no patents to be found (as claimed in the video), no action on anybody who owns the so called "rights" only gov conspiracy excuses.Ã,  I'm tired of it.Ã,  It's all bull.

Oh and you want me to fake the TV setup too, did you happen to see the INVERTER AND HOW BIG IT WAS?Ã,  If he outputs DC what's up with all that white box?Ã,  I can stick a batteri in there and run my TV for a whole DAY !!!!

EVERYTHING IN THE VIDEOS CAN BE FAKED, EVEN THE SOUNDS AND VIBRATIONS (does anybody have a cell phone)

Anyway,Ã,  I'M NOT SAYING SM IS BOGUS, I'm just saying THE VIDEOS CAN BE FAKED.

EMÃ, Ã, 

P.S.Ã,  Oh and all that other stuff , wires, toroids, etc.. were to make it look authentic, you loved it didn't you.Ã, 

[Super God]

Anyone can put 15 nine volt batteries into a toroidial shape and call it a TPU.  What most people can't do is use the earth's magnetic field to generate electricity, even if the videos were fake, is there any point to faking those videos?  I duno, I just have a really strong gut feeling that this thing is real!

[EMdevices]

I'm with you Super God,  SM strikes me as a genuine guy,  I work with a lot of folks like him.  But then you never know how twisted some people can get.  Money and the power .... power and the money     Ha Ha   

EM

[HopeForHumanity]

EMdevices,

Before you attempt to fake a video like this, please take into account all the effects, magnets starting it up, doesn't work upside down. I understand you trying to show us it can be faked, but you only showed us the power can be faked. To me, an eduacational video of faking this device, must be faked entirely. No if's and's or but's. I think the title should be EMdevice's ring with batteries in it, it technicaly wasn't a TPU.