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Tubes?

Started by Super God, July 18, 2007, 06:46:18 PM

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turbo

IS, my best guess is that Steven used that tube as end stage amplyfier, and that it was driven with a tube based oscillator.

Darren, it is still not clear to me.
Pherhaps it's due to the reverse or slightly out of phase action the 500VDC reaches the HTR coil.
Anyway i was thinking it was like this:

innovation_station

marco what im leaning towards is this

that tube is 2 triodes in 1 so it is the phase invertor sm says that he also says he uses it for his input so that means it is the oscolator as well im really thinking it can be done with just 1 tube or 2 tubes the same as i have with a single triode one can make almost all the diffrent osc's for tubes or just with that 1 tube you could build a push and a pull amp the key is how does he cancel the flux

cuz once the flux is cancled it will take almost no power to revolve the magfeild much similar to the muller motor no?

i have herd the problem with the tpu is that it runs way too fast and produces microwaves so

to produce micro waves how fast must somthing spinn in the mhz? maybe 5 or 6 megs? humm

the funny thing is this  when i get there i will be able to look back and say wow look at all the stuff i learned along the way  then i will say what can i do with the knowalage i have gained in this process to make this world a better place for all

then my job will begin


well back to the TPU bible ...   to find some more clues  ;) 

this time i am going to make a file of sm words that pertain to tubes only and see where that gets me  ;)

ist
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

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z_p_e

Marco,

Your diagrams look correct. I would however have drawn the wave forms on the ends of the plate transformer, not on the centre-tap. The centre-tap is to be grounded.

One side of the plate transformer could be shown positive (conduction), while the other is shown negative (cuttoff). Then the opposite for the second diagram.

Yes the interaction is difficult to visualize in this "no centre-tap" version of filament transformer. Oddly enough, in my simulation, the centre-tap version exhibits no 60 hz modulation of the FWR wave form, while the "no centre-tap" version does,

Darren

PS. How is your test coming?

tinu

Hi good fellows,

I?m writing here in a kind request I address to you, to all experimenters with tubes.
Please check the following thread if you haven?t done yet: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3086.0/topicseen.html. It?s about Universons.

I do not intend to bother you too much but tubes can be used for confirming the universons flux. While I?m waiting for my tube source, I?ve thought some of you may be interested in the above topics. All it takes it would be pulsing the tube and check for various effects along the path of the accelerated electrons. Those effects should include induced EMF in a regular metal (wire), which in principle can be detected with an oscilloscope even if the magnitude would be too small for other practical purposes.
The energy levels involved in Mr. Poher?s experiments are on the order of 15J per pulse. This is quite big for a regular tube, although for single pulses a tube can be overdriven. I?ll probably burn some low power tubes in the process but at present I don?t have any. This is going to change during the next week. Meanwhile, your interest and your input on the above would be greatly appreciated.

I have another question. If there is a tube wizard among us, please let me know the kind (types) of tubes which have the following characteristics:
- longitudinal configuration (i.e. electron flux is not radial from the central filament to the cylindrical grids&anod), if any.
- high power tubes (diodes, in principal but also other types should work assuming that the other grids are kept at fixed potential) that are commercially available.
I will work in the first phase with Russian military tubes used for microwave equipments but that will make my life miserable as I?ll probably not be able to find their functional characteristics.
Therefore, my question aims toward later purchasing some well documented tubes, especially if the first experiments (more or less blindly conducted) will prove themselves positive.

Please reply in the above thread.
Many tx,
Tinu

innovation_station

hey guys i just thought i would post sm's words about the expairment you guys are doing because his words should stand here right beside  our reaserch expairments so others reading are not serching to find what is being worked on at the time

*********************************************************** SM's  words ***************
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v  300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
*******************************************************************************************
how does sm end up with dc and ac through the tube in the first 4 sentences of this clip he tells you

both trans are dc  1 is brige rectifed to ac and he is using the transformer  at 5v 3 amps that is why it is worded the way it is just read it you will see it!!!!!

final answer is a 500 volt trans and a 0-500 trans !!!!!  but what are the intresting things we will see when hooked up proper ??

marco zpe?
hey got 1 more question/idea does he power the heater with 5v 3a ac on the way through to the input of the tube where at the input it meets the 500v dc and both go into the tube at the same time ????

now just when i was writhing this last bit of this post somthing hit me verry HARD!!!!!!!!!
i dont think i should tell tho ;)
just incase im wrong  but im almost sure im right
what will then happin in the tube? it is a retifer tube right  hummmmm........ give her a thought

i dont have any of this setup but i have read the above many times and this is what i think will happin
it will flip the current !!!!!! the tube but not the voltage i love it!!!    what i mean we will now have 500v dc at 3 amps!!

but maybe im just crazy   
isteam!!
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

THE !STORE IS UP AND RUNNING ...  WE ARE TAKEING ORDERS ..  NOW ..   ISTEAM.CA   AND WE CAN AND WILL BUILD CUSTOM COILS ...  OF   LARGER  OUTPUT ...

CAN YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO YESTERDAY?!?!?!?!