Tubes?

[Grumpy]

Mannix - so blinded by the desire that he can not see the path to it.

Wake up!

I was not suggesting that you follow a different approach, only that you pay attention to the one that you are following.

[innovation_station]

hey guys with my above post

i can be totaly wrong  but i had 1 of those times as i call em

i realy hope it works but if it does not it all good it was a thought that at the time made much sence im not tube expert hell im no electronices expert earther but that is what i got of  sm words above

this is not proven but is ready to be proven wrong
so giver guys i donot have the stuff to dissprove or to prove

its up to the guys that do if you guys think it is posobile to do so

im guessing here like everyone else or almost everyone else

[turbo]

i have done some comparisation on two devices which show certain simalarities.
Feel free to add more because there is much more but i was running out of time.
Tpu in green, Mra in red.

"His Masters Voice"
A virtual conversation between the TPU and the MRA.

TPU: The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to achieve the demonstrated results.

MRA: Most people want clean and simple circuits. These would not entail physical motion or large inductive masses as are encountered in orthodox generators. The MRA circuit fits this approach very nicely because it does not involve moving mass, but rather moving energy harmoniously to produce energy.
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TPU: Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to
convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
There are many wires perpendiculair to the main
collector. this is a necessairy part of the device.

MRA: The MRA is attracting the electromagnetic energies, and funneling them back to the magnet, through the coils, which couple a portion of the energy to the load.  Other conductors which are in the path of the vortex also collect energy, specifically the neutral wires.
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TPU: You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

MRA: To achieve energy output which is above the energy applied at resonance, use three octaves, and there will be three harmonious notes in each octave, for a total of nine resonant frequencies.
These notes occur naturally when the base frequency applied is three octaves above the magnet's resonant frequency, and equal to the resonance of the quartz.

In this way, the potential applied to the quartz "taps" it, without the need to use physical force. The result is electrical output.  Connect this output to a coil around a magnet, and the domains of the magnet, which comprise a tiny portion of its weight, and which do all of the "work" in a generator, will be forced to spin. This spin is called
"virtual rotation", because it is the spin of energy without the spin of the matter.
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TPU: In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the
collector coil.
You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but
with some hash in it.

MRA: With low-level ultrasonic input signals, the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA) produces usable direct current power at levels above unity.
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TPU: I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks.
However, they do look like it.

MRA: it is possible to understand this circuit as basically a tuned magnetic and quartz amplifier.
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TPU: But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!

MRA: The MRA is essentially a means of releasing the electrical energy stored in magnets.
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TPU: When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.

MRA: The effect of this in a typical audio application is called harmonic distortion, and is not desirable, but in the MRA, this is what we want to occur.
There is energy in the harmonics, and this energy serves to both counter eddy losses as well as to oppose primary current flow, while contributing to circulating current within the resonant circuit.
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TPU: A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile it will bounce off.
However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.

MRA: If you use these features to create an open system in a closed loop, you can keep the potentials moving faster than the load device can use the energy, and that is unity plus.
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TPU: It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion
in order to make the thing properly work.

MRA: In application, the MRA is tuned at resonance for maximum power transfer, then detuned slightly for maximum power gain. This relates directly to the use of thermal pressure at resonance, and the effect that this has on continued polar rotation and the
release of donor electrons.
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TPU: About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on
top of the other, not interleaved.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around
each of the horizontal collector coils.
If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.

MRA: A secondary is wrapped around the primary and is connected to an ordinary bridge rectifier, and the output of the bridge is applied to a DC load. A filter capacitor can be used on the output of the bridge, and was used on the MRA which we built.
Additionally, a load resistor across the capacitor will keep the output DC from getting too high as the circuit is tuned.
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TPU: start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,
then the third.
when you eventually strike the cord look out.

MRA: It is at this point that resonance becomes important. You must have three octaves of separation between the magnet resonant frequency and the signal supplied to the piezo. The circulating current is rich in harmonics, and this is necessary for the operation of the circuit.
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TPU: Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert
into huge amounts of energy.

MRA: Matter = energy. To convert matter to energy, resonate the matter.
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TPU:I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while.

MRA: the resonant frequency of the magnet "beats" with the oscillating current.
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TPU: They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst.

MRA: The piezo is the catalyst for the circulating current with the primary coil. The circulating current is additive, and this is the reason for the high potentials developed across both the piezo and the primary coil.
The piezo has a virtually inexhaustible supply of free electrons, and it releases them when it is stressed. Using the piezo in series with the primary coil will almost eliminate primary current, because it is voltage which stresses the piezo, not current. Therefore the piezo can be stressed with very little actual power, and provide the current to the primary coil which vibrates the domains of the magnet.
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TPU: I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ. Which I measured.

MRA: The aggregate resonant frequency is between 34KHz and 35KHz, although we found the resonant frequency of the magnet to be around 8KHz to 11KHz.
The freqs that we are applying to our MRAs is beween 34 and 35KHz.
When the circuit is tuned, the magnet will be "singing" at around 8,000 to 11,000 Hz.
The frequency that resonates both the piezo and the magnet at optimum resonance will be three times (three octaves above) the frequency at which the magnet is singing.
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TPU: If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind.
so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the
middle of the operating coil?

MRA: avoid using scopes for anything except occasional waveform checks, because there is so much flux in the air that it will build up on the scope and skew your display.
this MRA builds a field up around it and blanks out some equipment.
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TPU: The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.

MRA: it is also possible to induce virtual rotation by applying the resonant frequency of the magnet, which causes the lattices and the domains to vibrate. However, the power required to do this is greater than the energy released by the virtual rotation.
Therefore it is necessary to increase the vibration without using excessive current.
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There is many info available on the Mra and i think it's operating principle is very similair to that of the Tpu.
i came by the Mra a couple of times and after building so many non operative Tpu's i decided to take a side way and try the Mra because there is more detail available since the inventors fully published the data.

Marco.

[otto]

Hello all,

THE MRA WORKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A TPU.

Otto

[retrod]

"His Masters Voice"
A virtual conversation between the TPU and the MRA.

I like this, there must be dozens of different ways to achieve TPU-like results.

Great post,

RD