The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Humbugger]

@Paul-R: 

Interesting article about a very far out R&D effort on magnetic logic devices at nano-atomic scale.  Not, as described by Mr. Tseung, a device for producing or controlling working external magnetic fields and certainly not a commercial part-numbered device!  Thanks for the neat link, though!

@Ltseung888 et al:

"Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort."  Lawrence Tseung quote

Still no idea what a "Magnetic IC" is from all this.  40 years designing electronic products using (and often finding innovative and unintended uses for) thousands of different IC chips...yet I've never heard of these!  Hall effect IC, sure, understand those...they do not produce controlled external magnetic fields; they simply detect them. 

Could the reference possibly be to simple chip inductors?  These are full of wire turns around ferrite or iron, typically, but I know of none that are "programmable" or "intelligent".  Typically, ICs are bits of silicon with metallization.  Other than the well-known magnetic field that occurs whenever current flows in any conductor, there are no silicon chips I'm aware of that are designed to produce external magnetic fields by themselves, without attachment to some external device like a write head or solenoid or speaker or discrete electromagnet.

There has been a direct statement made that these are a standard part-numbered device pair IC3001 and IC3008 made in China.  All searches for any such devices come up empty or non-related in any way to magnetics.

My questions remain unanswered:  What company makes these devices?  Is there any specific data available?  Are these commercially available devices?

If "Many chip experts know how to program these...magnetic IC's" is a true statement, then they must not be a secret or proprietary device.  Can you please tell us how to get some real manufacturer's data about these mysterious chips?  Simply repeating the same incredible claims a hundred times does not provide the needed information to evaluate and advance the application of this proclaimed new chip technology.

The continued lack of any verifiable source or engineering data specifics despite my repeated polite requests only adds to my skepticism that any such IC exists.  Belief or disbelief is not the issue here.  Making startling claims with zero tangible evidence is.

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[brnbrade]

Hi

Up to where my knowledge is.
Those magnetic chips have to be disturbed by external agent to work.
it is more efficient, doesn't make miracles

regards

[Forever]

Here is my layman 's translation of the third page of the Liang patent.   
There are three pages of description on the workings of the invention.
This is the first of the three pages..


There will be more juicy material to come.. 

[Forever]

Here is my layman 's translation of the fouth page of the Liang patent.

I included my programming logic. 

I believe you can do better!

[jeffc]

@Paul-R: 

Interesting article about a very far out R&D effort on magnetic logic devices at nano-atomic scale.  Not, as described by Mr. Tseung, a device for producing or controlling working external magnetic fields and certainly not a commercial part-numbered device!  Thanks for the neat link, though!

@Ltseung888 et al:

"Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort."  Lawrence Tseung quote

Still no idea what a "Magnetic IC" is from all this.  40 years designing electronic products using (and often finding innovative and unintended uses for) thousands of different IC chips...yet I've never heard of these!  Hall effect IC, sure, understand those...they do not produce controlled external magnetic fields; they simply detect them. 

Could the reference possibly be to simple chip inductors?  These are full of wire turns around ferrite or iron, typically, but I know of none that are "programmable" or "intelligent".  Typically, ICs are bits of silicon with metallization.  Other than the well-known magnetic field that occurs whenever current flows in any conductor, there are no silicon chips I'm aware of that are designed to produce external magnetic fields by themselves, without attachment to some external device like a write head or solenoid or speaker or discrete electromagnet.

There has been a direct statement made that these are a standard part-numbered device pair IC3001 and IC3008 made in China.  All searches for any such devices come up empty or non-related in any way to magnetics.

My questions remain unanswered:  What company makes these devices?  Is there any specific data available?  Are these commercially available devices?

If "Many chip experts know how to program these...magnetic IC's" is a true statement, then they must not be a secret or proprietary device.  Can you please tell us how to get some real manufacturer's data about these mysterious chips?  Simply repeating the same incredible claims a hundred times does not provide the needed information to evaluate and advance the application of this proclaimed new chip technology.

The continued lack of any verifiable source or engineering data specifics despite my repeated polite requests only adds to my skepticism that any such IC exists.  Belief or disbelief is not the issue here.  Making startling claims with zero tangible evidence is.

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I've been wondering if the ICs could be similar to RFID components?  RFID tags are certainly programmable.  There are read and r/w versions, passive and active.  The reader component generates RF which hits the tag (transponder) providing both energy to run the rfid circuit and also to communicate.  A magnetic field is certainly created between the reader and tag.  I haven?t done enough with rfid beyond practicle implimentations to understand if it is possible to somehow dynamically vary the polarity of the field.  Perhaps vary the RF. 

Even so, the relative field strength would be low for standard passive tags.  Now the longer range active tags are powered (typically by battery) and therefore must generate a stronger field strength.  But, I still don?t know if there is any advantage using rfid technology in creating a magnetic motor.  The only thing I can think of is that their input power requirements are small. 

Perhaps their efficiency at generating a magnetic field with low current is coupled with whatever arrangement is being utilized by the invention (which I still cannot conceive at this point) to provide overunity.

Of course, all of this would be much easier if we just had a complete list of components and a schematic!  Oh well, I guess that would take all the fun out of speculation and mental gymnastics.

Regards,
jeffc