The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[ltseung888]

No No No....Don't stop it. It's funny!

And how come chris and hans get to be in the CIA and I don't!

It's discrimination and I won't stand for it!

ERS

You can be the double agent. 

I am looking forward to how the CIA or the Like (or its imitation) debunk a US$20 experiment that could be repeated worldwide.

I might even learn something from the CIA!

Lawrence Tseung
Jokes bring smiles to many.  If knowledge can be passed on at the same time, so much the better.

[chrisC]

No No No....Don't stop it. It's funny!

And how come chris and hans get to be in the CIA and I don't!

It's discrimination and I won't stand for it!

ERS

You can be the double agent. 

I am looking forward to how the CIA or the Like (or its imitation) debunk a US$20 experiment that could be repeated worldwide.

I might even learn something from the CIA!

Lawrence Tseung
Jokes bring smiles to many.  If knowledge can be passed on at the same time, so much the better.

Lawrence:

I hope you don't take these 'insults' too seriously. After all, we only wanted you to demonstrate simple proofs to your very simplified theories. When nothing was forthcoming, most of us started yawning and then the yawns turned into comedy. I apologize if that got out of hand.

btw, since this Tseung OU stuff isn't going anywhere, I think i will move over to the Pyramid thread to see if there is more reality than just talk.Maybe Hans can educate us on what happened to Thomas? I have not followed the details since the site was sabotaged?

Regards
chrisC

[Pirate88179]

Hans:

I can't afford the money to join the CIA but, if it were a little cheaper, could I be made a member of THE LIKE?  I mean, I have a beach pump and a 4-legged stool and a super soaker.  I am right now attempting to wire them together but I am not sure of the value of the resistors I need to use.  I guess I will have to experiment.  If I accidentally cause a cataclysmic event, I apologise to all on the planet in advance.  To quote a world famous nuclear scientist who worked on the Manhattan Project......"Opps."

Bill

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

As promised here is my proof that Lawrence?s idea of the still air scenario is rubbish and that his claimed experimental data are fictitious.

He claims that a half horsepower air pump (compressor) can deliver water in excess of 34 stories high. This is a complete fabrication because this cannot happen.

He says that the system works like this:



Figure 3.1 Sample application of energy from still air

In Figure 3.1, 2 shows a HK$300 electric air pump; 4 is the lower water tank; 9 is the upper water tank; 3,5,6,7,8,10 are one-way valves.  The water and air mixture is sent to the upper water tank 9.  The mixture is separated.  The total energy input is that from the air pump + energy from air Ein.  Many engineers and scientists previously ignored Ein.   Professor Woo and many members of the Chinese Academy of Science accepted this correction.

What really happens in a system such as this follows:

The design that Lawrence proposes is essentially a gravity fed spray gun. Ignoring the rest of the contraption The operating part of the system looks like this:




Because of the relatively high velocity of the air stream hitting a virtually static quantity of water perpendicularly the water is literally torn apart, forming tiny droplets that are carried forward by the air stream. These tiny droplets now collide with the ambient air opposing it. This collision disperses the tiny droplets forming the typically fan like flow of droplets that is so desirable in a spray gun.

So far so good.

I have no idea why Lawrence puts a one way valve before and after the compressor since all they can contribute is impeding the flow of air that is available, making the device less efficient.

But, leaving that idiotic addition aside, what he does next is far worse.

He channels that flow into a pipe. Now he is seriously wasting energy.

He says that the pipe goes 34+ floors up. That would make the pipe around 100 meters long, give or take a couple of meters. I don?t know the Hong Kong building code, but your average floor hight would have to be around 3 meters. So one hundred meters is a fair ballpark figure.

The pipe would have to have a fairly small internal diameter since the compressor specified (1/2 HP) can only deliver maximally 100 litres per minute or 3.5 cubic feet at a pressure of  8.16 kg/cm2 or 116 PSI.

(See attached specifications for a typical ? HP Compressor)

This creates an enormous back pressure, severely affecting the velocity of the air stream even without any addition of water. The inclusion of  one way valves in the riser makes it so much worse. That is another idiotic addition that only wastes energy and has no function other than impeding the system.

But back to the water.




As stated earlier, the water droplets in the air stream disperse in a fan like fashion because of the opposing back pressure. The majority of the droplets are forced against the inside wall of the pipe where friction slows their movement. Oncoming droplets with higher velocity bump into them, forming larger and larger droplets on the inside wall. This forms a pipe within a pipe so to speak with the air rushing through the centre.

Next the combined stream of water and air hits the bend in the pipe that changes the stream from a horizontal to a vertical flow. It literally hits is with the remaining force head on. Droplets that hit perpendicularly get reflected and bounce back into the airstream costing further energy.

With much diminished force the stream now enters the riser tube. The droplets hitting the inside wall get further slowed down, forming larger and larger droplets and eventually gravity takes over and there is now a steady stream of water flowing down the inner walls of the tube in opposition to the air stream.

This phenomenon is known as reflux.

The water starts collecting on the bottom, further impeding the velocity, resulting in more reflux and so on.

Result, the pipe fills with water.

The more water, the higher the back pressure.

A 100 meter column of water exerts a pressure of 10 kg/cm2 or 142.3 PSI, which is 26.6 PSI more than the compressor can handle. It is the equivalent of a shut off valve.


At no stage will ANY water make it to the top.

You are a liar Mr. Tseung. Publishing fictitious data in support of a theory is the worst crime a scientist can commit. But then, you are no scientist, so perhaps it?s not so bad after all. I mean we learned physics and engineering at university, you obviously learned it in a toy shop.

Hans von Lieven

APPENDIX:

[Evil Roy Slade]

I will post my bank details here as soon as that really kind dude from
the Nigerian Finance Department deposits my 48million USD. Next week sometime I am told.

Then I am happy to finance you guys into CIAship. But wait....I will ALSO include Tseung's $20 kit...
and but wait..there's more.....a free, yes FREE, Supersoaker!. A Red one!

Special request for Hans:
If I pay a bit extra can I get my number choice?
Say, 181 181 181 181?
(licensed to thrill, decimal equivalent)

@Mr Tseung,
Sit back, smile a bit. Life is short.

ERS