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The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

Started by ltseung888, July 20, 2007, 02:43:44 AM

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TinselKoala

The "analysis" in the presentation files is wrong in many places. Surely we can agree that the energy stored in a pendulum by raising its bob to a certain height is constant, no matter how the bob got there, as long as the string tension is constant. Now, it is possible to imagine various "pull" directions that would store strain energy in the pendulum string, and this energy would be released when the pendulum is released (think of the string as a not-very-stretchy spring). This stored strain energy could vary from zero to a lot, depending on how the bob was supported before release. This energy is supplied by the force pulling on the supporting string, not by gravity.
A more sophisticated analysis of the forces and vectors involved will show that all the "work" in the pendulum system comes from the force used to displace the pendulum initially, and that is all the work that the system will be able to return.  So what? The work doesn't come from gravity at all; rather it is done against gravity (more or less efficiently according to the angle), and since gravity is conservative and the pendulum is efficient, you can get that work back. A little work is also put into straining the string, by the non-efficient raising of the pendulum bob by the other angled string; good luck in getting that work back.
No gravitational energy can be lead-out, over and above that which is "lead-in" in the first place.

TinselKoala

The experiment with the magnets and the padded wall has been done many times and it isn't necessary to repeat it again. What is necessary is for a correct analysis to be done.
Or a modification: do it horizontally, as a pendulum, and see if the time-averaged center of mass, while running, is displaced from its "hanging" neutral position when not running. Or see if it will sustain itself in the air vertically without bouncing off a substrate. Or put it on an impedance-matched substrate on a frictionless surface and see if it makes unidirectional progress.
It won't. Thus proving that there isn't any net propulsive force from this arrangement.
So?
What does this have to do with the lead-out theory?

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TinselKoala

Let me add that the magnets and padded wall device has many variables that will affect its motion. Of course one puts energy into the system in two ways: first by bringing the magnets into proximity, and second, when the electromagnet is energised. Depending on the masses and field strengths of the moveable permanent magnets, more or less momentum can be transferred to one or the other of these magnets. By properly choosing these parameters, the device may be made motionless, or to move in either direction, regardless of the presence of padding on one endwall. My previous post "assumed" that the fields and masses concerned were equal and the device was intended to move as a standard electromagnet-actuated "inertial drive" a la Cook, Dean, Tolchin, et al.

Now, if I am going to be asked about these rather silly "experiments", I am afraid I will have to insist on a scientific hypothesis, as I stated above. I'm looking for a falsifiable hypothesis of the form:

"If, and only if, the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Theory (LTLOT) is true and correct, then a device constructed just so, and tested thusly, will produce observable and repeatable results A, B, and/or C."

How does either the pendulum experiment or the electromagnetic inertial drive experiment test such an hypothesis?

Top Gun

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 07, 2008, 06:00:12 PM
The experiment with the magnets and the padded wall has been done many times and it isn't necessary to repeat it again.

If you do the actual experiment, you will get a good feel of the parameters as you mentioned.  You can control the motion (Y direction) of the rectangular container in at least the following ways:
(a)   Change the type and weight of the permanent magnets.
(b)   Change the current applied to the electromagnet.
(c)   Change the number and thickness of the coils in the electromagnet.

Without the experimental setup it is not possible to control the various parameters.

The second experiment (experiment002) is to modify experiment001 so that the two permanent magnets are attracted back by reversing the current to the electromagnet.  Once the arrangement is back at the initial position of experiment001, the above steps are repeated.  Then we shall have a device driven by pulsing DC current that will move in the Y direction without ejecting any gases. 

The difference between the Chinese Scientists and the people in this forum is that the Chinese Scientists actually performed the experiment and learned to control the parameters.