The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Top Gun]

Quote from TopGun...

"Thus in the case of the First Lee-Tseung Pull using the supplied values, approximately 2 parts of horizontally supplied energy will lead out 1 part of vertical gravitational energy.  The Lee-Tseung lead-out theory cannot be wrong.  The Physics and Mathematics cannot be wrong."

Once again, I don't see any where that you account for the energy required to supply the first Lee-Tseung pull.  Maybe I missed something but I sure didn't see it in your supplied numbers.  I have said the same thing to Lawrence many times when he posts these types of numbers.

Bill

Dear Bill,

The externally supplied energy is from the horizontal force F.  The force F can be made constant as the user supplies it.  The horizontal displacement is dX (Lsin(a)).
The value of the horizontal energy is F x dX.  This section of Physics is based on the Law of Parallelogram of Forces.  It cannot be wrong. 

Please study the slides 10 to 14 in http://hk.geocities.com/winghang20022002/Presentation.htm.

From the example supplied by Hans von Lieven, that value is equal to 0.194842 Newton-Meters.

Hans, may be you can help Bill.

[utilitarian]

Quote from TopGun...

"Thus in the case of the First Lee-Tseung Pull using the supplied values, approximately 2 parts of horizontally supplied energy will lead out 1 part of vertical gravitational energy.  The Lee-Tseung lead-out theory cannot be wrong.  The Physics and Mathematics cannot be wrong."

Once again, I don't see any where that you account for the energy required to supply the first Lee-Tseung pull.  Maybe I missed something but I sure didn't see it in your supplied numbers.  I have said the same thing to Lawrence many times when he posts these types of numbers.

Bill

He bootstraps himself, begs the question, uses circular reasoning, you pick.  He claims the .199 whatever of horizontal work done is the entire input energy.  His only reason for this is that the push was horizontal, so therefore whatever work was done horizontally must be the only energy being input, right?  And the vertical you get for free.  Tada!

That is it.  There is no more.  That is his whole argument, and it is idiotic.  He never correctly measures input energy, because he fails to account for the energy required to lift the bob.  He simply assumes there is none, because the whole push is horizontal.  His reason for this is that a horizontal push cannot move a bob upwards.  He refuses to recognize a pendulum as a simple machine - an inclined plane.  He never adequately explains why.

[chrisC]

He bootstraps himself, begs the question, uses circular reasoning, you pick.  He claims the .199 whatever of horizontal work done is the entire input energy.  His only reason for this is that the push was horizontal, so therefore whatever work was done horizontally must be the only energy being input, right?  And the vertical you get for free.  Tada!

That is it.  There is no more.  That is his whole argument, and it is idiotic.  He never correctly measures input energy, because he fails to account for the energy required to lift the bob.  He simply assumes there is none, because the whole push is horizontal.  His reason for this is that a horizontal push cannot move a bob upwards.  He refuses to recognize a pendulum as a simple machine - an inclined plane.  He never adequately explains why.

This is the whole crux of the argument when we first asked him eons of time ago how he accounted for the work done lifting the pendulum from standstill (vertical position) to the horizontal position?

Well, of course there was no good answer. This guy is unbalanced in his Physics knowledge when he chose to explain his "math and physics don't lie crap" when we know this is a delusional LIAR!

cheers
chrisC

[hansvonlieven]

OK Top Gun,

Assuming I buy your calculation, how do you propose to harvest the 50% overunity, feed some 2% back into the system to keep it going and then drive something with the balance?

Please supply a concept diagram of a machine that can do this.

Hans von Lieven

[Top Gun]

OK Top Gun,

Assuming I buy your calculation, how do you propose to harvest the 50% overunity to drive something, feed some 100% back into the system to keep it going?

Please supply a concept diagram of a machine that can do this.

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

Can you help to educate bill, chrisC and utilitarian first?  Their posts will only disrupt our ‘intelligent’ discussions.

Thank you.