The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Koen1]

Obviously it will not do to have "Top Gun" present Tseungs claimed theory.
|f mr Tseung is to be taken seriously, he should present his own case.
He has been claiming several Chinese authorities as well as the US government are
interested in his theory. Well, here's his chance to put his money where his mouth is
and actually have academics of reknowned universities take a critical look at his "theory".
We have all suspected "Top Gun" to be a Tseung alter ego, but this is getting really suspicious...
Why would Top Gun want to hold Tseungs presentation unless he is Tseung?
Doesn't make much sense...
That would be like Einstein having some completely unknown and unconnected person,
say John Smithy, present his theory of Relativity to an academic evaluation committee...
Doesn't make sense. If you've got a theory and you are certain it holds water, you should
be excited to be allowed to prove it to academic officials, and you should certainly not
have to get some unknown person do it in your stead. That's just plain strange.
Maybe that's the Chinese way, but if any of Tseungs claims are true he has already
convinced the Chinese establishment of his theory, and now he wants to convince the
western academics and govts; otherwise, why would he go through all the trouble of
seeking forum attention for his theory? Well, obviously the only other possible reason
is seeking attention due to some kind of mental anomaly, but let's just assume he's not
just some schitzoid personality and really does have a theory that he wants the world
to know about. If that is the case, then he should be very willing to present his case
to western academics in person.

Also, the "university contacts" really do NOT need to read this thread, and should also
stay out of this forum discussion, as that would confuse matters.
All that is really needed is for Tseung to personally present his case to these "university
contacts" and not fail to convince them he has a point. Afterward the entire presentation
and discussion between him and the "university contacts" can be put online and can be
discussed extensively in this forum.
But for Tseung to prove his "theory" is valid, there is absolutely NO need for these "contacts"
to get involved with this forum thread directly nor in advance of said presentation.

[Kul_ash]

Dear Sir

I am extreamly lost in understanding your term "Leading out" free energy! I saw your presentation. In your slide no. 6, you have mentioned that after applying a pulse force, resultant force = Tension in string but in opposite direction. Perfectly ok! But now in your next slide, you are claming some thing called as "Lead Energy" which has come freely to your system! What is a relation of slide no. 6 to slide no. 7? If I believe in slide no.7 then slide no. 6 is automatically wrong becasue T1 will not be equal to resulting force which can be calculated from parallelogram theorm. You have not given any mathematical proof as to where this energy is coming from except the term lead out!
If I have to believe your theory, then a pendulum clock which gets a pulse force will never ever stop working if you convert that additional "lead out" energy to rewind the spring! I can understand that horizontal force will increasing force in string but your claim that it will "lead out" gravitational energy has no proof! I am sorry to say this but this is something out of my imagination unless n untill I see the real mathematical analysis. You slide no. 6 and 7 are totally contradicting.

I finally found what may be the right place to discuss the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory.  Here is a brief extract:

Boat in Calm Water and Good Sunshine Scenario

The Patent Offices and the Scientific Community used the Law of Conservation of Energy as a roadblock for perpetual motion machines (PPM) for centuries.  The Law of Conservation of energy essentially says that Energy cannot be created or destroyed.  It can only change from one form to another.  If the source of energy of an invention cannot be identified, the invention is likely to be classified as the impossible PPM.

The Boat in Calm Water and Good Sunshine Scenario is simple.  If a scientist does not know how to use solar energy, he might wrongly apply the Law of Conservation of Energy and advocate the use of muscle energy to move the boat.  If he knows how to use solar energy, he can relax and let the solar panel powered engine move the boat.  The Law of Conservation of Energy is never violated.

All objects are immersed in gravitational fields.  Newton?s Universal Gravitational Law says that two masses attract each other with a force equal to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance.  The Earth rotates around the Sun according to this Law.  All objects, including our bodies, obey this law.  We attract and are attracted by the Sun, the Moon, the Distant Stars and Each Other.  Movement of such objects will have energy exchanges (Work = Force x displacement).  If an invention uses such gravitational energy, it does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.  In the Lee-Tseung PCT Patent Application (PCT/IB2005/000138), we used the term Lead Out.  This source of gravitational energy is non-polluting, available anywhere and almost inexhaustible.

An even more powerful source is the Electron Motion Energy. Electrons are present in all atoms.  They are usually thought as negatively charged particles rotating around the nucleus.  The rotation gives rise to magnetic fields.  The changing of orbits gives rise to electromagnetic waves.  Their clustering gives rise to electrostatic fields.  Their movement along conductors gives rise to electricity that we depend on daily.  Sunlight is just a form of electromagnetic wave.  Radio waves, TV waves are other forms of electromagnetic waves.  We are immersed in such waves.  If an invention uses such immersed Electron Motion Energy, it does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

The Lee-Tseung theory predicts that both gravitational and electron motion energy can be Lead Out via Pulse Force at resonance on oscillating, vibrating, rotating or flux change systems.  The detailed mathematical proof is via the analysis of the simple pendulum during the application of a pulse force.  The pulse force increases the tension of the string and Leads Out gravitation energy.  For a horizontal pulse force, two parts of pulse energy can Lead Out one part of gravitational energy.  The gravitational energy is not created but Lead Out.  This Lead Out energy source has not been understood by the Patent Offices, the Scientists and many Inventors in the past.  Use of this Lead Out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

For details, read:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2621.msg40277.html#msg40277

[Kul_ash]

I do not mind challenges on the above statements.  I shall be happy to present and defend them at any top Universities and/or Seminars.  I am even willing to explain the above statement more if there were a need.

Political jokes and insults do not interest me.

I accept your challenge.  I have excellent connections with several universities.  Please post your contact information and I will arrange for you to speak.

Why you want to do that? I tried to do that with one fellow who claimed to prove Einstine's theory of relativity wrong  I was somehow impressed with what he had and arranged a presentation at University of Pune, India (my home town). The head of Physics dept gave his time after I requested him and he proved this fellow wrong in first few statements and presentation was over in 5 min. lol. I was almost barred from Physics dept for a while. Do not take such chance of playing with your own reputation. This is just my suggestion! 

[Kul_ash]

Thats really a touchy post! But for me to prove Newton wrong, this is not going to help !  Simple explanation I want to give you is: If as per your claim, universe really add some energy to pendulum and if it is not extacted, it will remain in system and will go on increasing it continuously. The swing system will go out of balance and evantually it will tear off the support from where its hanging! I have never seen that in any child's swing in a park. Parents keep on giving "pulse force" to swing but it never really goes out of balance! This simple experiment you can do in any park and see it for yourself! Or you want to say the way "lead out" energy comes in system, there is another way of universe to take it off if you do not use it? 

And that is exactly what should not at all be necessary if Tseung really had a good "theory" that explains FE:
he should be able to develop a device design based solely on his own theory, that can be physically tested
and will show the OU effects exactly as he predicts them from his theory.

I think that was very well put and cuts to the heart of the matter.

Tseung, why don't you please just produce a device that follows your theory the best.  If you do not know how to use a drill, I will borrow from your own language, and suggest you bribe a friend with dinner and fine wine, and maybe someone will help you actually build this thing.

You have been preaching this stuff since when, 2005, earlier?  So far, nothing has come of it.  You will see much faster results if you have something to show besides controversial equations.  It is obvious at this point, so much time has passed and Wang Shum Ho's ideas will never pass the government's "validation", so it is time for you to, as you call it, shine.

Nothing fancy is necessary.  Just a simple pendulum that can somehow sustain itself through Lee-Tseung pulls.  Come on, show us just one self sustaining device that can be replicated and we will all bow down and chant the Lee-Tseung mantra.

Dear shruggedatlas and Koen1,

Top Scientists and Engineers have a mindset different from the average.  Their egos are so huge that they seek beyond personal fame and glory.  They feel no need to ?prove themselves? to any one.  They ?know? that they have the ?truth? and that they cannot be wrong.  That conviction comes from years of hard work, dedication and research.

Top Scientists can appreciate the work from others.  They can support blasphemies (or the beginning of Great Truths).  They can stand firm in front of all accusations and ridicule. 

Joseph Newman in USA and Wang Shum Ho in China both spent over 30 years of their lives building and promoting their working prototypes.  Newman fought against the US Patent Office for years.  Wang Shum Ho was luckier.  He got his China Patent because he could show a working prototype even though the invention was classified as the perpetual motion machine.  However, he did not get financial support and had to sell blood at one time.

Tseung et al helped to promote him since August 2006.  He appeared at Tsinghua University in October 2006; demonstrated his device in front of Chinese Officials in January 2007; got funding as one of the seven energy inventions supported by RMB13 billion.  Two prototypes were sent for certification in October 2007 and the Official Announcement and Certificate should be out soon if there were no technical problems.  Wang Shum Ho is now in the æµ· åâ€" 博 é°² 亞 æ´² è«â€" 壇 as one of the energy experts from China. (Asia Economic Summit in Boao, Hannan Island)

From the South China Morning Post (English Newspaper in Hong Kong)
Hu, Siew break the ice across the Taiwan Strait
Trade is focus of highest-level Beijing-Taipei talks since 1949

Kristine Kwok in Boao Apr 13, 2008
A new chapter in cross-strait relations began yesterday when President Hu Jintao held talks with Taiwanese vice-president-elect Vincent Siew Wan-chang - the highest-level contact between mainland and island leaders since a bitter civil war separated them nearly 60 years ago.

[Koen1]

Dear Sir

I am extreamly lost in understanding your term "Leading out" free energy! I saw your presentation. In your slide no. 6, you have mentioned that after applying a pulse force, resultant force = Tension in string but in opposite direction. Perfectly ok! But now in your next slide, you are claming some thing called as "Lead Energy" which has come freely to your system! What is a relation of slide no. 6 to slide no. 7? If I believe in slide no.7 then slide no. 6 is automatically wrong becasue T1 will not be equal to resulting force which can be calculated from parallelogram theorm. You have not given any mathematical proof as to where this energy is coming from except the term lead out!
If I have to believe your theory, then a pendulum clock which gets a pulse force will never ever stop working if you convert that additional "lead out" energy to rewind the spring! I can understand that horizontal force will increasing force in string but your claim that it will "lead out" gravitational energy has no proof! I am sorry to say this but this is something out of my imagination unless n untill I see the real mathematical analysis. You slide no. 6 and 7 are totally contradicting.

Great post Kul_ash!

Thats really a touchy post! But for me to prove Newton wrong, this is not going to help !  Simple explanation I want to give you is: If as per your claim, universe really add some energy to pendulum and if it is not extacted, it will remain in system and will go on increasing it continuously. The swing system will go out of balance and evantually it will tear off the support from where its hanging! I have never seen that in any child's swing in a park. Parents keep on giving "pulse force" to swing but it never really goes out of balance! This simple experiment you can do in any park and see it for yourself! Or you want to say the way "lead out" energy comes in system, there is another way of universe to take it off if you do not use it? 

And even better!

We've been trying to get Tseung to understand that his theory does not appear to be correct,
but instead of actually discussing it properly he always keeps trying to deflect the discussion.

Great to have another sound thinker in here who also sees through the huge holes in Tseungs "theory".


... hey, but maybe Tseung has simply never used a swing when he was a kid eh?