SMOT Triangular Enclosure Variation, Closed Loop?

[Honsou]

I just read about over unity today, and an idea popped into my head.  I made a diagram, and it's kind of like this triangle theory except it employs a circular track and also uses magnetic shielding.  I assume magnetic shielding is a reality, and it will hopefully keep the ball rolling down the decline after it exits the magnet array.

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I'm probably forgetting something dumb, or just don't understand the whole concept.  So please, debunk my theory or prove it's worth.

[jeffc]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for showing this interesting triangle SMOT setup.
If I understand correctly, the ball's own weight is kept also by the attracting magnetic path while moving uphill, right?  If so,  I wonder if this does not make the building of the ramp unnecessarily difficult, for it needs more 'work' from the magnets to hold the weight and move uphill the ball at the same time.
Surely some tinkering is needed but I also like this great idea.

Regards
Gyula

Gyula,

Yes, unlike some of the other SMOT configurations, this one requires the PMs to support the weight of the bearing against the ceiling.  I think this should work if the magnets are strong enough and arranged at optimal distance from each other.  I've been concerned that the magnets would be so strong that the vertical force would overcome the horizontal force and the bearing may get ?stuck? to the ceiling and not release at the end (step 3 in Figure).

Thanks for the feedback.  I guess we'll see how this all works out.

Regards,
jeffc

[jeffc]

You might find the ball rushes up the inside of the ceiling like a
bullet, and crashes into the corner. SMOTs can be energetic.
Remember the gauss gun.

Can your idea be adapted into a circle? Have a gance at this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2745.msg40868.html#msg40868
Paul.

Hi Paul,
Actually, I?m hoping you are correct and there is enough excess energy to launch the bearing at the end of the series.  If that is the case, the extra PM at (F) should not be necessary.  Because this SMOT design requires the magnet to support the weight of the bearing against the ceiling, I think it will require more magnetic force and result in a slower horizontal velocity. 

If the bearing crashes against the wall, we?ll just shorten the PM series until the bearing misses the wall and drops to the ramp below.
I?ve tried to consider a circular arrangement, but have not discovered one that can combine the magnetic force and gravitational force in such a way to close the system.  I believe it is the combination of these two forces that is key.  Each force creates the potential energy for the other (I hope) in this current design.
Regards,
jeffc

[jeffc]

I just read about over unity today, and an idea popped into my head.  I made a diagram, and it's kind of like this triangle theory except it employs a circular track and also uses magnetic shielding.  I assume magnetic shielding is a reality, and it will hopefully keep the ball rolling down the decline after it exits the magnet array.

Click to Enlarge


I'm probably forgetting something dumb, or just don't understand the whole concept.  So please, debunk my theory or prove it's worth.

@Honsou
I tried to design a circular SMOT like the one you show.  I think it is a smart concept, but as you have noted, I think some kind of shielding is necessary if the bearing would travel in the same plain of the magnets on the return.  I?m not an expert on magnetism, but I believe the only effective shield would be Faraday, and that it would require energy equal to or greater then the magnetism involved.

I?ve seen another similar SMOT variation on this site, which is circular, but the track drops below the plain of the magnets on the return.  I think this is an interesting variation.  You may want to find that thread (sorry I don't have  )

But my whole design is about combining magnetic force and gravitational force in a way so that you have a significant horizontal acceleration AND a significant vertical acceleration.  I hope the result will be self sustaining motion, and perhaps excess energy (over unity) that could be adapted for real work!

Regards,
jeffc

[Grolo]

This is not going to work with 1 ball.
Point 1 - 2 = oke
Point 2 - up = not sure
Point 2 -3 = oke

But it will stop at point 3 or else magnet F will stop it. But I think the force at point 3 is really big.

When you want to shoot something you need other things. You can see someone shooting balls in this movie (time 00:35):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw
You alway's need a second ball otherwise it will just stop at the end.
Also your second idea has the same problem it will stop at the end of the magnets.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

But don't give up! 

-edit-
Checked you drawing again.
Maybe when you use 3 balls on your first idea and also use magnets at point A. Hmmmm... could be...