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Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

Started by eldarion, July 27, 2007, 12:58:39 AM

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Bruce_TPU

#75
September 25, 2007, 07:52:46 AM
@ Bob,

Thank you, that does indeed help.  I will wind the exact opposite of what I have done!  LOL  Well, I will consider it good winding practice anyway, for this next go around.

@ Wer,

Thanks!  It does take a bit to wrap ones mind around it.  CCW I hope!   ;D
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#76
September 25, 2007, 07:17:17 PM
Well, I unwrapped my two primaries and untaped, to my secondaries, to find that I had wound that correctly according to "B" of this graphic provided by Wer off of his thread.

So I have retaped and will remark and rewind primaries!  All is well again in happy winding land!   ;D  As long as I did not have to redo the secondary, I am thrilled!

@ Wer
I added your graphic to the continually updated .PDF, if you don't mind.  And reposted it here.   ;)

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

eldarion

#77
September 25, 2007, 09:27:56 PM
Bruce,

Good to hear all is well again! ;)

I have also had a minor success here--I have improved the control software and stabilized the output.  So, I thought, why not hook up the largest powdered-iron core toroid I have to it and try it again?  I only have one primary coil wound on this particular toroid, but I might just add the others as time permits...this is the same toroid that I posted earlier wrapped in black tape with copper wire.

This time, when I fired up the primary on 10KHz 500ns pulses, I got a HUGE output waveform on the secondary.  And it looked quite odd, almost a very jagged triangle wave at ~200+V peak-peak.  The control circuit couldn't have been drawing more than a few hundred milliamps at 13.8V (this was with the HV bias supply shut down).  So I went to touch the output wire to make sure that I wasn't just seeing some sort of phantom capacitive voltage rise...surprise!  I got an almost instant RF burn from the output, and the magnitude of the output signal didn't decrease much at all.

So I am finally getting a pretty good power transfer through the toroid.  I have no idea what the actual output is, but at least all my input power isn't just "vanishing" into thin air like it did before...and the odd waveform has me intrigued...

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

eldarion

#78
September 26, 2007, 01:08:53 AM
I need to correct a mistake I made in my previous post.

Where I said the pulse width was 500ns, it was actually six times larger at 3000ns, so I was drawing considerably more power than I had originally thought.  I still get power transfer with the correct pulse width of 500ns, just not as much voltage on the output and the signal becomes a bipolar sawtooth wave.

That's what I get for not reading the data on my controller screen before posting... ::)

Oh, and by "considerable", I mean 0.55 watts. ;D

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

eldarion

#79
October 03, 2007, 05:06:06 PM
Well, Bruce's excellent coil came today! ;D

I have attached a picture of the coil with a 9v on top of it for scale--this thing is huge and heavy!

Also attached is a picture of my preliminary hookups and the waveform I got across a load resistor with a DC blocking capacitor in the secondary circuit, just like Bob described earlier.

As you can see, not much yet, but I've had the coil for about an hour.  I'll see if I can get anything interesting to happen later on. :)

This is how I will be going about initial testing of the circuitry and the coil:
QuotePostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:46 pm

Hello Gary.

You are correct, if you drive any single winding on that toroid with an AC waveform, you will not see anything but single phase AC output on all the other windings. Where this phase factor comes into play is, instead of driving with AC, you drive each of the 120 degree coils in phase with very sharp and narrow unipolar negative DC pulses. The energies that are in phase will be additive. Now apply a nominal 160 VDC positive bias (through a high value resistor or LPF ) at one end of the single winding that is wound 360 degrees. At the other end of that winding, use a DC blocking cap, and apply that signal to a load (120V light bulb works well). Now as you are applying pulses and bias, start to shift phase very so slightly of phase B and phase C and observe the effects. You will not need to adjust but a fraction of a degree. If you do not see the effects, then your pulses may not be of sharp enough rise/fall times, or there may be too much of an impedance mismatch between the drive and the transformer. Oh, all applied potentials are in reference to earth ground. You may want to compare the results with and without the 160 VDC bias, reversing bias and applied drive potentials, ect.. and note the observed differences.

The other mode is rotational with 120 degrees of phase differential between A to B and B to C, then vary B and C a fraction from that. But I highly suggest you avoid that until you have a control loop set up that can allow you to shut it down very quickly. It can go out of control suddenly and avalanche if conditions happen to be just right.

Bob
(Emphasis mine on things I think are important)

Obviously I will not keep it in that low-power mode, but I would like to see the above actually happen and get a feel for how the coil behaves before I try to get the finicky, dangerous high-power output running.

One other thing--I am currently set up to test this in my basement.  If anyone thinks that this will prevent the effects from manifesting, please speak up! :)

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine
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