Longitudinal wave research

[MarkSnoswell]

@Eldarion

You got it... if I am right.

Consequence 1.
By driving both a toroidal coil and central loop together you can split a TM current into LE and LM currents. You can also do the converse.

Would you mind elaborating a bit here?  Right now, I am imagining a toroidal coil (or several toroidal coil segments) wound around a loop coil in the 90 degree orientation (think "collector coil"), and driving both in parallel, but I don't think this is correct.  Where would I be able to tap off pure LM or pure LE energy?  Wrap another toroidal coil around the entire thing to tap off LE energy?

Yes -- Parallel collector and controller coils... but it's not that easy -- they would have to be tuned to both resonate at the same frequency although in different modes.

The excess energy arises in circuit -- you need to bleed it off. Bleeding of the excess could be done directly or via other coupled coils -- all pretty standard but with totally different types of waves than we are used to.

There is a (new) energy trapping mechanism I have realized could trap high frequency (ZPE) energy  in systems that pump feromagnetic materials with longitudinal waves. I need to test the theory.

[eldarion]

I was trying to figure out why all of this is so familiar, and I remembered this:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070405014712/http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vect2.html

I wrote Bill about this idea not more than half a year ago.

He didn't test it.
I didn't test it.

I think I will test it, seeing as these ideas are lining up perfectly.  I assume that I can use capacitors to tune the loop coil into longitudinal resonance?

Oh, and how do I tell if a coil is in longitudinal resonance instead of transverse resonance?  The Faraday cage and pickup coil?  Is another name for longitudinal resonance magnetic resonance?  (The reason that I ask that question is the Faraday cage will only block the E-field of 
the TEM near field region.)

Something that might be useful sometime is a list of which TEM concepts can be applied to LMD circuits--such as "pulling" the resonant frequency with a capacitor.  I'd be happy to help compile that information...we need to learn how to engineer LMD circuits as you mentioned  earlier.

I'll let you know how this turns out!

Eldarion

[MarkSnoswell]

Hi Eldarion,
   Yep -- http://web.archive.org/web/20070405014712/http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vect2.html  I know it well -- I think it is along the right lines and very much worth checking out... actually Bill is closer than he knows

As for this http://web.archive.org/web/20031217212954/alexfrolov.narod.ru/spiral.htm   I've done it. In fact I was showing this to a friend of mine just this past weekend. I discovered the effect myself some time ago in a counterwound bifilar pancake coil -- you can couple energy from a regular coil to a Counterwound Bifilar Pancake (CBP) coil very well. However is doesnt work in reverse -- so when using the regular coil as a primary and CBP as a secondary you get a transformer with no inductance on the output and no back emf coupling. hmm... perhaps I should put up a video of this. It's a real brain teaser as the phase of the secondary is not altered by fliping the coil over but is inverted when you put the secondary on the other end of the primary -- this is the oposite behaviour to a "normal" secondary. It's really just a field gradient sensitive secondary but the lack of back emf is the interesting part... you get the equivelant of a energy diode transformer where the energy can only go one way through it.

cheers

mark

[MeggerMan]

Hi Mark,
Going back to the phone conversation the other day about using a straight ferrite rod with one input coil and one output coil that can be slid along the rod to pick up the high nodes of the LM wave.
I will get the rod out of my box of bits and test this idea out.

So if you now try the same experiment on a torroidal core the LM wave will travel around the ring and meet the other wave coming the other way.
Will they reflect or just pass by each other?
Would it be correct to say that there is a lot more scope for a rapid build up of energy if its not absorbed by something.

If you drill a 1mm hole into the perimeter of the core and insert a 0.8mm copper wire as a probe you expect to see voltage between the probe and what?

I tried to find a supplier for that 3d7622 programmable pulse generator and could not find one.
In fact a lot of the chips seem very difficult to locate. Let me know how much they are and where you can get them from.

Regards
Rob

[Earl]

Mark,

would you please be so kind to draw and render your experiment with the counterwound bifilar pancake coil + regular coil,
showing details of bifilar connections and all winding senses.

Thanks, Earl

Hi Eldarion,
   Yep -- http://web.archive.org/web/20070405014712/http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vect2.html  I know it well -- I think it is along the right lines and very much worth checking out... actually Bill is closer than he knows

As for this http://web.archive.org/web/20031217212954/alexfrolov.narod.ru/spiral.htm   I've done it. In fact I was showing this to a friend of mine just this past weekend. I discovered the effect myself some time ago in a counterwound bifilar pancake coil -- you can couple energy from a regular coil to a Counterwound Bifilar Pancake (CBP) coil very well. However is doesnt work in reverse -- so when using the regular coil as a primary and CBP as a secondary you get a transformer with no inductance on the output and no back emf coupling. hmm... perhaps I should put up a video of this. It's a real brain teaser as the phase of the secondary is not altered by fliping the coil over but is inverted when you put the secondary on the other end of the primary -- this is the oposite behaviour to a "normal" secondary. It's really just a field gradient sensitive secondary but the lack of back emf is the interesting part... you get the equivelant of a energy diode transformer where the energy can only go one way through it. cheers, Mark