Apparatus for generating autogenic energy?

[gyulasun]

Hi,

Great work! All I can say is to repeat: increase still the mass of your flywheel! How much?  At least 5 to 10 times as you have now. I mean mass: this can be a heavier/thicker wheel of similar diameter or a much larger diameter but not so thick wheel etc.  Try to remember children's small play cars (of kinda matchbox size) with built-in flywheel: the mass of this flywheel was much bigger than the wheel on which the toycar rolled.

You are surely getting closer.

Gyula

[ken_nyus]

Not running (yet?), but I have been fooling around with the configuration, and playing with the interaction between the magnets, mostly without the push rod installed so I can get a feel for how the magnets interact.

I wish there was a way to see the fields and how they interact in real time. I can feel with my hands, but you can only feel so much.

The main thing I have learned so far, is that my #1 assumption is wrong.

I was assuming that the only forces involved were repulsion forces. The patent only talks about repulsion forces, and a nuetral spot, so I assumed that this is all that should come into play. But by testing I can tell that attraction forces certainly come into play, and in fact they may be the dominant forces.

My understanding of how this device works (at least my embodiment of it) has increased, but my confidence in getting it to work has decreased. My mental model now of what is happening as it cycles tells me it will not work.

Still going to play with it though and learn what I can.

[gyulasun]

Hi,  But if you do not use the push rod the setup is not like the basic idea?  Perhaps the push rod is one way of keeping the distances correct with respect to attract forces.

May I turn your attention to this link:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/Bearden/SymmetricalPermanentMagnetMotor/index.html

I do not mean you test his setup (his magnetic pole arrangement is different and getting the shape at the ends of the magnets is very difficult) but to think about using covering shield at one side of your magnets. As a shield any magnetizable thin piece of metal cut to size would do.

But FIRST  I think still to increase the mass of your flywheel i.e. make it much heavier than it is now!

Gyula

[ken_nyus]

Hey Gyulasun,

I'm not trying to get it to work without the push rod, I'm just feeling how the magnets interact when they are at different angles and distances from each other. I want to feel the repulsion at the right time that should be driving this. I'm using what I feel and see to guide me in the right crank angle and the right interaction distance between the magnets

Thanks for the article. Instead of cutting the magnets and shielding I have also thought about trying to use Halbach arrays to make this unbalanced, but then I am going beyond the patent idea, and I don't have enough magnets to play with this.

I hesitate to go even heavier with the flywheel because then I feel that all I am seeing is a better and better flywheel effect. I feel that I have to see the basic driving force manifest itself first.

[gyulasun]

I hesitate to go even heavier with the flywheel because then I feel that all I am seeing is a better and better flywheel effect. I feel that I have to see the basic driving force manifest itself first.

Hi,  I fully agree with your wish of experimenting and explore the basic driving force.  It should be the difference between the approch and leaving repel forces, right?  BUT you have just written: But by testing I can tell that attraction forces certainly come into play, and in fact they may be the dominant forces.   If so, can make use of this?
Do you think new basic assumptions are needed for another working principle?

Gyula