Apparatus for generating autogenic energy?

[ken_nyus]

Hi,  I fully agree with your wish of experimenting and explore the basic driving force.  It should be the difference between the approch and leaving repel forces, right?

That was my understanding from just reading the patent, as that is all they talk about.  

BUT you have just written: But by testing I can tell that attraction forces certainly come into play, and in fact they may be the dominant forces.   If so, can make use of this?

Right now my plan is to stay focused on the repel forces as the driving force.

Do you think new basic assumptions are needed for another working principle?

I hope not, at least yet.

[sm0ky2]

OK,. guys this idea is a good one. I actually created something similar to this years ago, but i never fathomed how to attach a "transmission" to it to make it move at the right time.

Notice the patent says One or more,. and At least One.


Heres the basic device i was playing with back in college::
Take a wheel with several same-facing magnets placed around its outer rim. Not just one.

Now attach a secondary magnet to a lever, so you can push it back and forth with your finger.
now when you put it next to the wheel so that when it moves forward the wheel wants to spin.
and when you pull it away (at the right time) it keeps spinning a few times form this one push.
once you get the timing right you can sit there and push., push, push ,push and it gets spinning
really really fast.

The problem i had was with the timing, as the wheel increased with speed almost exponentially (at least thats how it seemed to me at the time) you had to adjust the timing of your pushes to keep it going right. My solution for this manually operated version was to place it just far enough i could feel a slight tug when the sticky point passed then i knew when to "push". 

i wondered how to attach it to something that knew when each rotation.. this makes perfect sense.
a Flywheel, spinning at the same rate (or proportionally geared) with a notch or guide-rail to move the magnet away when the "sticky spot" is approaching, then the centrifugal force built up from the previous spin helps to "push" again at just the right time.

dont read too much into the technical writing, to be honest im suprised they issued him a patent without disguising is more than this. They're not supposed to allow patents on  this type of device LOL!! Good for him!

Multiple magnets on the wheel!!!  i may make one of these myself, ive learned a lot since college i could probably make one much better than the one i had before, which worked well enough to impress myself at the time.

as far as the "transmission", just have a notched wheel spinning with the magnetic wheel, and make the drive magnet move away from the sticky spot. its an arch because its a wheel, so there is almost no resistance to pulling the magnet away, the flywheel is to provide pushing force to drive it some more.

it works like an old pedal-operated sewing machine if that helps.

[ryanjrx7]

You know what I just thought?  Try putting some square piece of steel or magnetic material on the base under the flywheel axle.  I always picture lines of force "reaching"  If theres a piece of steel, it might keep the lines of force reaching down instead of up and repelling the magnet attached to the flywheel axle.  It may also slow dow the axle to-but you seem to be an ace with the hot glue gun, so it'd be a quick thing to try involving no modification to anything else.

[gyulasun]

Yes, ryanjrx7,  it is a good idea!   

Also, I would suggest changing one or both of the strong Neo magnets to  ceramic magnets  i.e. which are not so strong: this way you do not have to increase the mass of the flywheel.

Gyula

[ken_nyus]

Finally sat down and figured out how to use FEMM, so I could get a visual sense of the forces involved, and hopefully to do simulations instead of building.

I have a basic question about the visualizations.

How can you see repulsion? What are the visual clues that show repulsion?

I think I can see attraction, when flux lines mark a path from one magnet to another, in other words the lines actually pass through both magnets.

But what does repulsion look like? Lines from each magnet that pass parallel to each other with vector forces in the same direction?