SPLIT: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch? the lawsutes! the lawsutes!!

[gaby de wilde]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3025.10.html
Now that we have unraveled the flux switching, I thought this post should have it's own topic not-to litter our precious resource.

It looks very similar to both the Flynn and Hildebrand devices in most ways.
And many flux switching patents do share similarities.
If anyone manage to make a working MEG there must be a ton of lawsuits waiting to be filed.
Everybody wants a share of the big money cookie.

Not bad a guess after a quick glance, in fact the hundreds of magneto-lifter-apparatus all use the same effect. Apparently the skeptics forgot about this whole industry and are to far behind to ever catch up debunking said implementation thereof. hahaha

But you cant patent nor lawsuit the laws of nature.

A bit of competition would probably do miracles for Both Flynn research and Hildebrand intergalactic. After all the septics crawl back into the wood things will be business as usual. hehehe

Here is the link again.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3025.10.html

[Humbugger]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3025.10.html
Now that we have unraveled the flux switching, I thought this post should have it's own topic not-to litter our precious resource.

It looks very similar to both the Flynn and Hildebrand devices in most ways.
And many flux switching patents do share similarities.
If anyone manage to make a working MEG there must be a ton of lawsuits waiting to be filed.
Everybody wants a share of the big money cookie.

Not bad a guess after a quick glance, in fact the hundreds of magneto-lifter-apparatus all use the same effect. Apparently the skeptics forgot about this whole industry and are to far behind to ever catch up debunking said implementation thereof. hahaha

But you cant patent nor lawsuit the laws of nature.

A bit of competition would probably do miracles for Both Flynn research and Hildebrand intergalactic. After all the septics crawl back into the wood things will be business as usual. hehehe

Here is the link again.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3025.10.html

@Gaby

Business as usual?  Hmmm...I started to look at some of those patents you referred to over in your last post on the other thread...almost none have anything to do with the subject at hand.  Really intimidating list, though, if quantity is the only measure.

I don't quite "get" your logic.  You're comparing industrial PM lifters that have mechanical lever release mechanisms, it appears, to electromagnet-based flux "valve" or "gate" devices, both motor and MEG-like, and thus implying that, because the lifters work, the latter must also, of course.  Seems like a bit of a leap there. 

Sure, you can wrap an electromagnet around a PM and overwhelm the PM field, but it takes significant power to do so.  Or you can use mechanical means to either align or anti-align a set of PMs.  Still takes a good amount of work!

Same principal?  Well, maybe with a huge stretch of the logic of analogies...but...To carry the analogy to closure, then, I guess one could place a nice fat coil of wire next to one of those big industrial PM lifters anyone can buy and get big power out of the coil by simply wanking the lever back and forth real fast (since it's so mechanically easy). 

Can you calculate how much electrical power would be available from the coil versus how much work you'd have to put in to wanking the handle back and forth?  It would not amount to overunity; that's how much! 

Now maybe if you put 49 or 57 of them in a big circle and had them all wanking real fast back and forth; their changing flux fields turning a giant armature with a generator attached...hmmm...what will we call it?  Any good ideas?  I can think of one.

Just because a skeptic is quiet (I can hear Stefan whispering "promises, promises" in the background here), doesn't mean the true believers have prevailed quite yet.

Seriously, I am waiting with bated breath to hear and see the outcome of the latest artfully magnificent build of the Jack Hildenbrand motor with Honk's extra-special super-deluxe 1500% improved-drive controller.  If anyone can do it, these two guys get my vote as a super team with a fighting chance.  Their physical works reek of super quality.

This is one skeptic who will be silenced gladly by even one good solid success with valid and accurate measurements and good scientific engineering documentation of over-unity performance and/or self-running.  I am looking forward to being totally amazed and "reborn" as a true believer! 

Until then, I remain somewhat puzzled at the giant...uhhhh...circular...ummm...I forget.

With Good Humor and, of course, All Due Respect,

Yours Truly,

Humbugger

[gaby de wilde]

hello sir!

Can you calculate how much electrical power would be available from the coil versus how much work you'd have to put in to wanking the handle back and forth?

I say, it would be rather stupid to calculate this, a calculation does not reflect the real world. I never used a calculation for anything. Math is like connecting the dots, it's 100% fraudulent best entirely avoided where ever possible. hahaha

It would not amount to overunity; that's how much!

I see you are also quite skilled at the art of guessing, the only difference is that you seem to promote your guess as a fact. I think you are reverse accomplishing things with it, just take things even more easy I guess? I don't see your elaborate math exercise here to back up your claim either. I understand you don't want to disappoint yourself. That's hardly an excuse to demotivate others? You should learn to give up all by yourself. hehehhe

Now maybe if you put 49 or 57 of them in a big circle and had them all wanking real fast back and forth; their changing flux fields turning a giant armature with a generator attached...hmmm...what will we call it?  Any good ideas?  I can think of one.

The name of the device is more important as actually building it? Well if it's important to you we should call it the Humbugergenerator of course. What do you mean with a big circle btw? Can't you make a drawing of your free energy motor for us? My advice is to use M$ paint.

Just because a skeptic is quiet

QUIET?  the sports of trolling researchers is a paid job for the most of them.

(I can hear Stefan whispering "promises, promises" in the background here), doesn't mean the true believers have prevailed quite yet.

Don't toy with Mr Hartberliner we still need him.

Anyway, what do you think I'm interested in being debunked by people who generally can be bothered to read or even view a video? Look how you explain that you did read the patents as if it was something special for a skeptic to actually read something? You know what I mean. You don't have to be shy about it. You know perfectly well that most skeptics don't go and actually read things.

They prefer to just debunk things upon established believes which are ignorant to begin with.

But lets talk about the patents you found? Lets see you spend a few hours actually making something then we will take the fun out of it for you ok? lol You refer to people as "true believers" but you are not bringing in the data. You are the one with the elaborate believe system the way I see it, I wouldn't be researching stuffs if I would prefer to pretend I already know the answers.

Seriously, I am waiting with bated breath to hear and see

YES, you guys wait and wait, but when are you going to do something? Have you forgotten the golden rule when you want something done right? My guess is that magnetic holding apparatus may teach us how to build an overunity motor. Your guess is that it's probably not the case. I claim the only way to know is to make effort of it, such effort will allow for improved configurations and an overall advance in knowledge of the topic. If you cant back it up your claim is useless, it's so premature it's just ridiculous.

You are draining the effort. I do care what you think or I wouldn't be writing this. I think it sounds horrible but you just need to be honest! That's all!

As yourself: What would it look like if the evidence was right in front of your nose? I can't imagine a skeptical approach with such enormously premature conclusions would be likely to pick it up. I read all the septic slogans 100 times already. First it's "oh, to little information", then it's "oh, if quantity would only mean something". This approach is not trying to educate it~self. You have better softwares as that available to you.

This is one skeptic who will be silenced gladly by even one good solid success with valid and accurate measurements and good scientific engineering documentation of over-unity performance and/or self-running.

Oh, yes and you want a free ipod and a vacation to a tropical resort. Nature is not going to supply you will things like this I'm afraid. The clues will come as-is and we cant make any demands from them.

You have no idea how annoying this "true believer" BS is. The rubber stamping armchair cynic is a real weapon of mass destruction. Cant you just do nothing when you do nothing? Why hinder people? Why obstruct the research?

You claim you want theory and you want valid measurements but in reality when offered one of those the other never happens as a result of the massive attack upon the first bit.

In the first place you expect researchers to develop the thing in a cave, remote area, behind closed doors, better not leak a word about what kind of research it is or the place will be circling with vultures anyway. ROFL

Magnacoasters supplied you with a video, I supplied you with the theory and 100 patents. Repeated radius boot references and patent quotations. All your bases are belong to us! Even you reading septic didn't read enough again. lol

I have a much better idea! We leave this idea un-debunked and I give you just the next theory then you build it yourself while we encurage you and that will proof things to you beyond any possible other evidence proofabliltys and shadows. Or you utilise other means to debunk this one. Do try to aim for a point this time. haha

Look under tech > flux switching > text. Then read latest publication at the top.  I could give you the direct link but that would make it much to easy for you. hahaha

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl

Remember to have fun!

[Humbugger]

"I never used a calculation for anything."  Gaby de Wilde

I totally believe you on that one, Gaby!

As for the rest of your long rant, I'm sure it will appeal emotionally to all those who are deeply offended by any suggested use of critical thinking as opposed to building every variation of every idea...an infinite task.  I'm just curious...is there ever a situation where you feel skepticism, abstract reasoning and analytical criticism of a claim is a valid approach or must every idea be built and tested to prove it does not work?  Seems like the last several centuries have provided plenty of examples of efforts that have not resulted in perpetual motion or free energy or overunity machines becoming understood and available...and zero examples that have.

With your approach and the voluminous number of claims you seem to believe in, I assume you must have built many experimental devices yourself.  Did any of them work?  Were they suppressed?  Or, maybe it's okay in your book to accept incredible claims without any building and proving, but not okay to reject them without doing so?  Please explain...seems the same criteria should apply to both.

Does your statement "If you can't back it up your claim is useless, it's so premature it's just ridiculous." only apply to critical claims from skeptics?  It seems that way when you contrast it with your complete willingness to believe the claims of inventors and researchers who seem never to do any valid testing or present viable working designs.

Maybe I missed something in reading and browsing your site's pages (where most of the links don't work) but I don't see anything you've built and tested anywhere, working or not.  So far, your arguments against critical thinking and skepticism seem purely emotional, just as do your arguments and "proofs" for believing in so many "working inventions", none of which have actually been shown to provide access to any free energy. 

I fail to see how a patent for a decorative magnetic tool holder {with no release mechanism whatsoever} goes to proving that OU can be had by using the well-known principals of permanent magnet mechanical-release lifters.  Seems like you might not be reading your own references to see if they actually apply.  So far, your references offered as evidence or proof of that idea are rich only in quantity; entirely lacking in quality.  I do read...plenty...and I've watched hundreds of videos claiming to show OU machines/phenomena.  The level of deception, error and delusion is the only amazement.

I don't share your belief that reading endless unproven claims and watching "amazing" but unscientific videos is doing anything to provide us with working solutions to world energy-supply problems.

I say to your unquestioning acceptance of the incredible and your absolute rejection/denial of the critical and conventional...

Bah...Humbug

After all...you posted in the thread for "skeptical views", so it seems only fair that I be allowed my expression without your emotionally-based attacks!

[gaby de wilde]

After all...you posted in the thread for "skeptical views", so it seems only fair that I be allowed my expression without your emotionally-based attacks!

yes, my compliments for explaining your views so well.