Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas

[Inventor81]

I'm a chemical engineer interested in the Meyer type high voltage "electrolysis", and will when I get the time investige more into this.
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1. Using Faraday law..or
2. Using the measured collected H2/O2 gas volume and do a pure mole and energy calculation

Both of these methods should lead to same answer which is;

In a collected volume of O2/H2 gas the amount of hydrogen energy will be 7744 Joules pr liter collected gas.

It was my understanding that the faraday law stated something along the lines of 250KJ per mole of water. This is roughly 250KJ per 1.5 liters of collected gas - i.e. 1 mole of H2 and .5 moles of O2 from one mole of water, or 18 grams. This neglects any H2O vapor in the collected sample, but this is certainly not going to double the weight (and hence the volume at 1atm) of the sample?

I have used a two-plate device to generate hydrogen with virtually zero ohmic heating  (sub-microsecond pulses @ 200KW) and came up with a result of approximately 240KJ per liter of hydrogen. This also agrees with Faradays law.

Just so you know, about this point in the post, my forward slash and quotation mark keys stopped working. My laptop is also running at about ten billion degrees celsius. Not sure what is going on all of a sudden.

annnnyhow.... Faraday gives the result that at 14.5VDC, 30A, (keep in mind that voltage does not matter with Faraday)

I should get .0045 moles of hydrogen in 14.5 seconds.

In the same period of time, I have seen a half liter of HHO produced. By my back of the envelope calculations, this runs to about .33 moles of H2.

The cell in question is running at 435Watts - DC, so P=VI works here without RMS considerations. multiplying by the time, to get joules, we see 6307.5J for .33 moles. Multiply by 3, and thats about 18.9KJ per mole of hydrogen. OR, 18.9KJ per 1.5 liters of HHO. Even if we guess that 100% of the gas is monoatomic, we thus double the joules per mole H2, and wind up with just heavy of 37KJ per mole of hydrogen, or per 1.5 liters of HHO, monoatomic.

This is my question - why does Nernst and Faraday indicate 250KJ per mole, but everyone is quoting 7KJ per mole or so?

Where does this ridiculoulsy low number come from? If I recall correctly, the heat of formation of water is the same 250KJ per mole... Just look it up in a CRC manual.

Here is a nice link that illustrates why I think this cell is only using 7% of the energy it should...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/thermo/electrol.html

ok now i will reboot and attempt to edit this post with forward slashes. GRRR!
* forward slash problem fixed*

other than that, heres my opening shot on the forum so to speak. Take care, and happy hunting for overunity!

[ba2ho]

Someone plug this in

130v @ 10 amps /12 L/M ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90IcfqS9MU&feature=related

[buzneg]

if this is true then lots of peolpe are getting overunity. The above post would be 180% efficient, and other's I no of would be around 200% efficient.

[felix.lamet]

Hallo,

is there a "step by step guide" to build a cell like that in the video of the first thread?

I am also building HHO cells, but my cells are not very effective, some help and information would be great.

felix

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Yes, water is almost abundant and when we can run a generator just
on water we will have enough energy to make desalinated water from the
ocean waters and pour it into the deserts to grow food for everyone.

We can clean up then the whole pollution too.

Where are you going to put the waste salt by product